Nate Edel wrote:
> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>
>> In the other case, I'm excluding an entire class of people from the
>>restaurant, and also a large chunk of a second class of people.
>>
>> These two cases are not at all the same thing. The child-free people
>>CAN eat at the restaurant on the Kids Eat Free day. Nothing will stop
>>them. But in order to have a "no kids" day, you must of necessity
>>exclude kids -- and in many cases, their parents -- from the restaurant.
>
>
> Aside: are kids generally a protected class?

They have special laws pertaining to their treatment; OTOH, people
(especially parents and teachers) are expected to be able to get away
with having them do things according to rules which adults don't have
to adhere to.

Overall, yes, they generally are perceived as special and protected,
because they are as a class unable to take care of themselves and
legally enjoined from even being able to do the things necessary TO
take care of themselves (e.g., child labor laws).

>
>
>>the tubes. Unless there IS a specific, very strong, niche market for
>>No-Kid dining, in which case you would be well-advised to set that up
>>as your default and market only to that niche.
>
>
> In general, AFAICT, "fine dining" restaurants tend to effectively exclude
> kids by their prices and the lack of a children's menu; once the price of a
> meal starts coming close to the price of a babysitter... (and of course
> people with multiple kids are even more likely to get the babysitter.)

There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price of
a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too much to
pay for food.



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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:

> There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
> dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price
> of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too much
> to pay for food.

This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being too
expensive and its buyers being stupid.

"Getting food" is only a subset of what a restautrant provides, or
rather: can provide. Some just want to serve their patrons food, which
is perfectly okay. Others have a different approach.

"Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
news:m2abo63azb.fsf@rogue.de...
> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:
>
>> There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
>> dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price
>> of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too
>> much
>> to pay for food.
>
> This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being too
> expensive and its buyers being stupid.

In other words, it makes perfect sense. (Admittedly, the price of
fine dining won't plummet as gourmet food becomes a commodity.)

"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> writes:

> "Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
> news:m2abo63azb.fsf@rogue.de...
>> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:
>>
>>> There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
>>> dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price
>>> of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too
>>> much
>>> to pay for food.
>>
>> This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being too
>> expensive and its buyers being stupid.
>
> In other words, it makes perfect sense.

No.

> (Admittedly, the price of fine dining won't plummet as gourmet food
> becomes a commodity.)

I fail to see where gourmet food becomes a commodity. Even when
ignoring the fact that lots of delicacies are not necessarily rare, it
usually requires a couple of cooks of rather better than average
training.

"Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
news:m2mys61u3d.fsf@rogue.de...
> "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> "Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
>> news:m2abo63azb.fsf@rogue.de...
>>> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
>>>> dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the
>>>> price
>>>> of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too
>>>> much
>>>> to pay for food.
>>>
>>> This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being
>>> too
>>> expensive and its buyers being stupid.
>>
>> In other words, it makes perfect sense.
>
> No.
>
>> (Admittedly, the price of fine dining won't plummet as gourmet
>> food
>> becomes a commodity.)
>
> I fail to see where gourmet food becomes a commodity. Even when
> ignoring the fact that lots of delicacies are not necessarily rare,
> it
> usually requires a couple of cooks of rather better than average
> training.

Yes, that was my point. Unlike the fancy cell phone, whose first
price drop has alrady annoyed the earliest adopters.

"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> writes:

>>> (Admittedly, the price of fine dining won't plummet as gourmet
>>> food becomes a commodity.)
>>
>> I fail to see where gourmet food becomes a commodity. [,,,]

> Yes, that was my point. Unlike the fancy cell phone, whose first
> price drop has alrady annoyed the earliest adopters.


Ah, I see. I read your sentence the wrong way. Sorry.

Personally, I didn't get why so may people whined about the price
drop. Stuff like that usually drops fast, though this one was a
little faster than most. And since they obviously had the money and
though it was worth it, why whine?

"Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
news:m2bq8m1t8h.fsf@rogue.de...
> "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> (Admittedly, the price of fine dining won't plummet as gourmet
>>>> food becomes a commodity.)
>>>
>>> I fail to see where gourmet food becomes a commodity. [,,,]
>
>> Yes, that was my point. Unlike the fancy cell phone, whose first
>> price drop has alrady annoyed the earliest adopters.
>
>
> Ah, I see. I read your sentence the wrong way. Sorry.
>
> Personally, I didn't get why so may people whined about the price
> drop. Stuff like that usually drops fast, though this one was a
> little faster than most. And since they obviously had the money and
> though it was worth it, why whine?

Because they're stupid.

Peter Bruells wrote:
> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:
>
>
>>There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
>>dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price
>>of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too much
>>to pay for food.
>
>
> This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being too
> expensive and its buyers being stupid.

No, Ken's perfectly right about it.

We are all stupid, just over different things.

>
> "Getting food" is only a subset of what a restautrant provides, or
> rather: can provide. Some just want to serve their patrons food, which
> is perfectly okay. Others have a different approach.

A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.

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Mike Schilling wrote:
> "Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
> news:m2mys61u3d.fsf@rogue.de...
>
>>"Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>>"Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
>>>news:m2abo63azb.fsf@rogue.de...
>>>
>>>>Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
>>>>>dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the
>>>>>price
>>>>>of a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too
>>>>>much
>>>>>to pay for food.
>>>>
>>>>This is as silly an idea as Ken's perception of the iPhone being
>>>>too
>>>>expensive and its buyers being stupid.
>>>
>>>In other words, it makes perfect sense.
>>
>>No.
>>
>>
>>> (Admittedly, the price of fine dining won't plummet as gourmet
>>>food
>>>becomes a commodity.)
>>
>>I fail to see where gourmet food becomes a commodity. Even when
>>ignoring the fact that lots of delicacies are not necessarily rare,
>>it
>>usually requires a couple of cooks of rather better than average
>>training.
>
>
> Yes, that was my point. Unlike the fancy cell phone, whose first
> price drop has alrady annoyed the earliest adopters.

Only the stupid ones. When I buy brand spankin' new tech, I **KNOW**
it's gonna drop in price one microsecond after I buy it, and a week
and a half later be available for $1.99 in the bargain rack.






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"Sea Wasp" <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in message
news:476A0098.8060401@sgeObviousinc.com...
> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, that was my point. Unlike the fancy cell phone, whose first
>> price drop has alrady annoyed the earliest adopters.
>
> Only the stupid ones. When I buy brand spankin' new tech, I **KNOW**
> it's gonna drop in price one microsecond after I buy it, and a week
> and a half later be available for $1.99 in the bargain rack.

This is a good place to tell this story, since someone will know if
the details are right. A friend of mine, who is the essence of early
adopter [1], bought one of the first available CD players, a Kyocera
costing about $1200 in mid-80s dollars. It was based on some early
version of the CD spec, and when the CD format was later modified to
allow longer-playing CDs, his $1200 piece of coolness would be unable
to play all the tracks on some disks, while my $300 bargain had no
problems. I was of course far too polite to point this out more than
once an evening.

1. Or in his own words, likes to hang ten off the leading edge of
technology.

Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> Nate Edel wrote:
> > In general, AFAICT, "fine dining" restaurants tend to effectively exclude
> > kids by their prices and the lack of a children's menu; once the price of a
> > meal starts coming close to the price of a babysitter... (and of course
> > people with multiple kids are even more likely to get the babysitter.)
>
> There is truth in that. Of course, I'm not sure how many "fine
> dining" establishments *I* have ever visited, either. If the price of
> a meal per person surpasses a certain point, it's simply too much to
> pay for food.

As in many things, "de gustibus and all that." There are different
gradations of "fine dining," of course, and it's hardly a firm line between
the two.

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Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Peter Bruells" <usernet@rogue.de> wrote in message
> > Personally, I didn't get why so may people whined about the price
> > drop. Stuff like that usually drops fast, though this one was a
> > little faster than most. And since they obviously had the money and
> > though it was worth it, why whine?
>
> Because they're stupid.

Sturgeon's law as applied to people makes that unsurprising.

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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> Peter Bruells wrote:
> > "Getting food" is only a subset of what a restautrant provides, or
> > rather: can provide. Some just want to serve their patrons food, which
> > is perfectly okay. Others have a different approach.
>
> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.

For some people, the food is the only point.
For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
primary.
For some people, the food is downright incidental.

It may not truly "take all kinds," but "all kinds" are what we've got.

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Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
>Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
>> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
>> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
>
>For some people, the food is the only point.
>For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
>For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
>primary.
>For some people, the food is downright incidental.

Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:18:23 -0500, David DeLaney <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
> Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
>>Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>>> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
>>> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
>>> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
>>
>>For some people, the food is the only point.
>>For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
>>For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
>>primary.
>>For some people, the food is downright incidental.
>
> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?

Didn't you get the memo? Because of the writers strike, RASW is going to
a mix of rereuns and reality shows.

-dms

"Sea Wasp" <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in message
news:476A7BD0.8080703@sgeObviousinc.com...
> David DeLaney wrote:

>> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks
>> with
>> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>>
>> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney
>
> That was part of the 18-20,000 post "Enlightenment" thread, which began I
> think as "A plug for LibraryThing" or something like that.

From which we all learned the second greatest blunder [the first being
getting involved in a land war in Asia] is never plug a Library Thing.

David DeLaney wrote:
> Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
>
>>Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
>>>fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
>>>the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
>>
>>For some people, the food is the only point.
>>For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
>>For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
>>primary.
>>For some people, the food is downright incidental.
>
>
> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>
> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney

That was part of the 18-20,000 post "Enlightenment" thread, which
began I think as "A plug for LibraryThing" or something like that.

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In article <slrnfmki99.217.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
> >Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> >> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
> >> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
> >> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
> >
> >For some people, the food is the only point.
> >For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
> >For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
> >primary.
> >For some people, the food is downright incidental.
>
> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>
> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney

But its a point. There are Restaurants that satisfy every step in the
above. And people have different criteria at different times.

On 2007-12-20 09:08:17 -0800, Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> said:

> In article <slrnfmki99.217.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>
>> Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
>>> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>>>> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
>>>> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
>>>> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
>>>
>>> For some people, the food is the only point.
>>> For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
>>> For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
>>> primary.
>>> For some people, the food is downright incidental.
>>
>> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
>> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>>
>> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney
>
> But its a point.

A point that was made repeatedly the last time this discussion was had;
that's why he's calling it a rerun.

> There are Restaurants that satisfy every step in the
> above. And people have different criteria at different times.

Which doesn't make him wrong that this was all said before. Not that
you can't do that -- this is Usenet, after all, and if it wasn't for
repetition we wouldn't have any petitions -- but you're not disagreeing
with him. You're continuing the rerun.

kdb

On 2007-12-20, Kurt Busiek <kurt@busiek.comics>
allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:
> On 2007-12-20 09:08:17 -0800, Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> said:
>> In article <slrnfmki99.217.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>> dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>> Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
>>>> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>>>>> A restaurant is a place that serves food. Fancier places serve
>>>>> fancier food, and may have other bells and whistles. But the food is
>>>>> the point. And over a certain price, it's too much.
>>>>
>>>> For some people, the food is the only point.
>>>> For some people, the food is the primary point, but not the only one.
>>>> For some people, the food is a secondary point, but other issues are
>>>> primary.
>>>> For some people, the food is downright incidental.
>>>
>>> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
>>> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>>>
>>> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney
>>
>> But its a point.
>
> A point that was made repeatedly the last time this discussion was had;
> that's why he's calling it a rerun.

If the studios'd just settle with the WGA...

Gym "Cross-thread with the IP argument elsegroup..." Quirk

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Taki Kogoma <quirk@swcp.com> wrote:
>Kurt Busiek <kurt@busiek.comics>
>> On 2007-12-20 09:08:17 -0800, Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> said:
>>> dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>>> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the 'drinks with
>>>> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>>>>
>>>> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney
>>>
>>> But its a point.
>>
>> A point that was made repeatedly the last time this discussion was had;
>> that's why he's calling it a rerun.
>
>If the studios'd just settle with the WGA...
>
>Gym "Cross-thread with the IP argument elsegroup..." Quirk

Are there laws protecting unIP?

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pullo wrote:
> "Sea Wasp" <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote in message
> news:476A7BD0.8080703@sgeObviousinc.com...
>> David DeLaney wrote:
>
>>> Wait, this thread is a rerun. I came in early this year on the
>>> 'drinks with
>>> a meal at a restaurant' thread, didn't I?
>>>
>>> Dave "what else is on?" DeLaney
>>
>> That was part of the 18-20,000 post "Enlightenment" thread, which
>> began I think as "A plug for LibraryThing" or something like that.
>
> From which we all learned the second greatest blunder [the first being
> getting involved in a land war in Asia] is never plug a Library Thing.

Do Library Things even come with integral plugs? Or are those only
post-market modifications?

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pullo <pullo004@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From which we all learned the second greatest blunder [the first
> being getting involved in a land war in Asia]

What about two land wars in Asia? Maybe someone told "W" that they're
cheaper by the dozen?

> is never plug a Library Thing.

Especially not if it lurks in the darkest subterranean stacks in a
forgotten basement of an abandoned library at Miskatonic.
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