In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
declared:
> "Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5sikgmF190ip3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
>> chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
>> contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely doesn't
>> have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working hours,
>> he looks for another job.
>
> And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just stays
> on welfare.
>

No, he uses his vacation and sick days.

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Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
> declared:
>
>>"Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:5sikgmF190ip3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
>>>chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
>>>contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely doesn't
>>>have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working hours,
>>>he looks for another job.
>>
>>And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just stays
>>on welfare.
>>
>
>
> No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>

And when those run out? Which would be, oh, halfway through the
school year? (depends I suppose on how much vacation and sick days
your job offers. Mine is 2 weeks vacation, 2.5 sick days, 2 or 3
personal days. That's static -- people who've been there 20 years have
the same amount)

Stay on welfare, definitely. At least then no one expects you to
leave your kid home alone, sick.

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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> Sean O'Hara wrote:
> > In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
> > declared:
> > No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>
> And when those run out?

Unpaid days off are generally the next step.

> Which would be, oh, halfway through the school year? (depends I suppose on
> how much vacation and sick days your job offers. Mine is 2 weeks vacation,
> 2.5 sick days, 2 or 3 personal days. That's static -- people who've been
> there 20 years have the same amount)

At my present job:

15 days vacation (accruing, to some limit), 3 sick days (non-accruing,
available from Jan 1), no personal days/floating holidays. Plus as many
unpaid days off as I can get my manager to agree to, I tend to take them
about 1:3 or 1:4 with vacation days.

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archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) writes:

> Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>> Sean O'Hara wrote:
>> > In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
>> > declared:
>> > No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>>
>> And when those run out?
>
> Unpaid days off are generally the next step.
>
>> Which would be, oh, halfway through the school year? (depends I suppose on
>> how much vacation and sick days your job offers. Mine is 2 weeks vacation,
>> 2.5 sick days, 2 or 3 personal days. That's static -- people who've been
>> there 20 years have the same amount)
>
> At my present job:
>
> 15 days vacation (accruing, to some limit), 3 sick days (non-accruing,
> available from Jan 1), no personal days/floating holidays. Plus as many
> unpaid days off as I can get my manager to agree to, I tend to take them
> about 1:3 or 1:4 with vacation days.

I truly wonder why jobs aren't flocking from Germany to the US. Over
here the norm's about 26-28 days vacation (paid, of course), no
personal days, basically unlimited sick days (health service will pick
up the tab when an employee falls sick for a long time) plus 10 days
of "Bildungsurlaub", where an employer has to give you time off so you
can visit classes/courses.. (Have to be certified schhools/coursess,
though.)

Peter Bruells <usernet@rogue.de> wrote:
> archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) writes:
> > Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> >> Which would be, oh, halfway through the school year? (depends I suppose on
> >> how much vacation and sick days your job offers. Mine is 2 weeks vacation,
> >> 2.5 sick days, 2 or 3 personal days. That's static -- people who've been
> >> there 20 years have the same amount)
> >
> > At my present job:
> >
> > 15 days vacation (accruing, to some limit), 3 sick days (non-accruing,
> > available from Jan 1), no personal days/floating holidays. Plus as many
> > unpaid days off as I can get my manager to agree to, I tend to take them
> > about 1:3 or 1:4 with vacation days.

> I truly wonder why jobs aren't flocking from Germany to the US. Over
> here the norm's about 26-28 days vacation (paid, of course), no
> personal days, basically unlimited sick days (health service will pick
> up the tab when an employee falls sick for a long time) plus 10 days
> of "Bildungsurlaub", where an employer has to give you time off so you
> can visit classes/courses.. (Have to be certified schhools/coursess,
> though.)

Jobs, or employees? I'd see why employees would love it. Employers, no so
much.

Got many English speaking jobs there? (Like many if not all USAians, I am
primarily a monoglot.)

How hard is it for a USAian citizen to get a work visa? Does it tie one to a
specific job the way an H-1 does here?

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:36:30 -0800, Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
> Peter Bruells <usernet@rogue.de> wrote:
>> archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) writes:
>> > Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>> >> Which would be, oh, halfway through the school year? (depends I suppose on
>> >> how much vacation and sick days your job offers. Mine is 2 weeks vacation,
>> >> 2.5 sick days, 2 or 3 personal days. That's static -- people who've been
>> >> there 20 years have the same amount)
>> >
>> > At my present job:
>> >
>> > 15 days vacation (accruing, to some limit), 3 sick days (non-accruing,
>> > available from Jan 1), no personal days/floating holidays. Plus as many
>> > unpaid days off as I can get my manager to agree to, I tend to take them
>> > about 1:3 or 1:4 with vacation days.
>
>> I truly wonder why jobs aren't flocking from Germany to the US. Over
>> here the norm's about 26-28 days vacation (paid, of course), no
>> personal days, basically unlimited sick days (health service will pick
>> up the tab when an employee falls sick for a long time) plus 10 days
>> of "Bildungsurlaub", where an employer has to give you time off so you
>> can visit classes/courses.. (Have to be certified schhools/coursess,
>> though.)
>
> Jobs, or employees? I'd see why employees would love it. Employers, no so
> much.
>
> Got many English speaking jobs there? (Like many if not all USAians, I am
> primarily a monoglot.)

Apart from the bildungsurlaub the situation is Germany is pretty common
all over the EU. My last proper job I had 28 holiday days + 8 public
holidays. The company doesn't have to give you the public holidays off
but nearly all the large ones do. The minimum holiday days by law is
now 24 days a year.

What Peter didn't mention was the working time directive as well - which
means basically that you cannot be forced to work continually long hours
as part of the job. Also the work culture is very different - even as a
technical architect I got paid overtime. Unpaid overtime does exist
but rarely is it something that is insisted on by management and seems
most common in the NHS and the police force.

--
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"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
> Apart from the bildungsurlaub the situation is Germany is pretty common
> all over the EU. My last proper job I had 28 holiday days + 8 public
> holidays. The company doesn't have to give you the public holidays off
> but nearly all the large ones do. The minimum holiday days by law is
> now 24 days a year.
>
> What Peter didn't mention was the working time directive as well - which
> means basically that you cannot be forced to work continually long hours
> as part of the job. Also the work culture is very different - even as a
> technical architect I got paid overtime. Unpaid overtime does exist
> but rarely is it something that is insisted on by management and seems
> most common in the NHS and the police force.

To repeat an earlier question:
How hard is it for a USAian citizen to get a work visa? Does it tie one to a
specific job the way an H-1 does here?

And what's the job market like over there for Java programmers (and how hard
is it to get a US RN license turned into one over there... the wife comes
with as a package deal, and probably has a more in-demand profession.)

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In article <5st4tqF1b4e27U1@mid.individual.net>,
Sean O'Hara <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike Schilling declared:
>
> > Sean O'Hara wrote in message
> >
> >> How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
> >> chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
> >> contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely doesn't
> >> have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working hours,
> >> he looks for another job.
> >
> > And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just stays
> > on welfare.
>
> No, he uses his vacation and sick days.

Many workplaces frown on the use of sick days when the employee is not
actually sick.

--
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is
the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. (William Pitt the
Younger, 1783)

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:21:50 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
wrote:

>In article <5st4tqF1b4e27U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Sean O'Hara <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Schilling declared:
>>
>> > Sean O'Hara wrote in message
>> >
>> >> How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
>> >> chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
>> >> contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely doesn't
>> >> have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working hours,
>> >> he looks for another job.
>> >
>> > And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just stays
>> > on welfare.
>>
>> No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>
>Many workplaces frown on the use of sick days when the employee is not
>actually sick.

And, if the company is large enough, they have to provide unpaid time
off under the FMLA.

Rebecca

<philospher77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:n5cmm35caf6krmov0ktjvrhoepb11sve06@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:21:50 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <5st4tqF1b4e27U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Sean O'Hara <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Schilling declared:
>>>
>>> > Sean O'Hara wrote in message
>>> >
>>> >> How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
>>> >> chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
>>> >> contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely
>>> >> doesn't
>>> >> have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working
>>> >> hours,
>>> >> he looks for another job.
>>> >
>>> > And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just
>>> > stays
>>> > on welfare.
>>>
>>> No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>>
>>Many workplaces frown on the use of sick days when the employee is
>>not
>>actually sick.
>
> And, if the company is large enough, they have to provide unpaid
> time
> off under the FMLA.

Unpaid time off for the amount of time that a child first starting
school (or day car) can be sick isn't much help.

I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

On 2007-12-20 19:37:53 -0800, "Mike Schilling"
<mscottschilling@hotmail.com> said:

> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
> of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
> gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

You go, Schill!

kdb

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:52:12 -0800, Nate Edel <archmage@sfchat.org> wrote:
> Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>> Apart from the bildungsurlaub the situation is Germany is pretty common
>> all over the EU. My last proper job I had 28 holiday days + 8 public
>> holidays. The company doesn't have to give you the public holidays off
>> but nearly all the large ones do. The minimum holiday days by law is
>> now 24 days a year.
>>
>> What Peter didn't mention was the working time directive as well - which
>> means basically that you cannot be forced to work continually long hours
>> as part of the job. Also the work culture is very different - even as a
>> technical architect I got paid overtime. Unpaid overtime does exist
>> but rarely is it something that is insisted on by management and seems
>> most common in the NHS and the police force.
>
> To repeat an earlier question:
> How hard is it for a USAian citizen to get a work visa? Does it tie one to a
> specific job the way an H-1 does here?

I've worked with a number of Americans who were all working for a
consulting company. Otherwise I think it is the HSMP (Highly Skilled
Migrant Programme) - which is a points based thing based on
qualifications, past earnings, age assessment, UK experience, and
English language skills.

> And what's the job market like over there for Java programmers

Not too bad at the moment if you have plenty of experience.

> (and how hard is it to get a US RN license turned into one over there

Don't really know. I wouldn't think it is too bad - we do have quite
a number of overseas nurses usually from third world countries. I think
there would probably be a short conversion course.

--
Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

Mike Schilling wrote:
> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
> of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
> gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
>

That's not taking advantage of her status as a parent.

That's being stupid and unprofessional. I've seen similar behavior in
the childless, only with less excuse. (note that I say "excuse" not
"reason").

--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com

philospher77@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:21:50 -0500, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <5st4tqF1b4e27U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Sean O'Hara <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Schilling declared:
>>>
>>> > Sean O'Hara wrote in message
>>> >
>>> >> How about the person knows when he takes the job that there's a
>>> >> chance he'll have to work late on occasion and develops a
>>> >> contingency plan for such situations, or, if he absolutely doesn't
>>> >> have anyone to look after the sprog outside of normal working hours,
>>> >> he looks for another job.
>>> >
>>> > And if there's a chance that the kid will ever get sick, he just stays
>>> > on welfare.
>>>
>>> No, he uses his vacation and sick days.
>>
>>Many workplaces frown on the use of sick days when the employee is not
>>actually sick.
>
> And, if the company is large enough, they have to provide unpaid time
> off under the FMLA.

You are correct, but there are various eligibility requirements for
employees to qualify. A good summary of FMLA in general is at:
http://tinyurl.com/237tpr

Tony

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:47:38 -0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com>
wrote:

>Apart from the bildungsurlaub the situation is Germany is pretty common
>all over the EU. My last proper job I had 28 holiday days + 8 public
>holidays. The company doesn't have to give you the public holidays off
>but nearly all the large ones do. The minimum holiday days by law is
>now 24 days a year.

My current not-very-proper job has 24 or 25 days or so of paid vacation
(which can sometimes transfer to a certain maximum from year to year), as
do many in the ICT sector, and all jobs here in .nl have unlimited paid
sick days (but eventually a doctor may come by to check whether you're
*actually* sick, if you appear to be abusing it), plus a number of
mandatory holidays, including first and second day of christmas, easter &
pentecost, the Ascension, New year's, Queen's day (30 April -- she was
actually born in January somewhere, but it's her mother's birthday we kept
on, mostly because the weather's better then), and mostly the country also
stops on May 5th (Liberation day, 1945).

Assuming a 5-day workweek, that's 3 days for second easter, second
pentecost, and Ascension (the first days are always sundays, I believe, so
don't count, whereas the second ones are always mondays and thus do), and
up to 4+1 depending on whether they come in the weekend or during the
week.


Jasper

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:21:45 -0500, Sea Wasp
<seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
>Mike Schilling wrote:
>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
>> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
>> of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
>> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
>> gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
>> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

> That's not taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
> That's being stupid and unprofessional. I've seen similar behavior in
>the childless, only with less excuse. (note that I say "excuse" not
>"reason").

So you spend an hour or so calling people to cancel, rather than dropping
everything if your kid is in hospital (assuming that either a) you don't
yet know just what happened, you just heard 'hospital' or b) You do know
what happened and it's bad, rather than c) she's getting two stitches for
the cut and she's otherwise fine.) ?

Jasper

Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some
> kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business
> she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.

How do others do it?
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some
> kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business
> she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.

How do others do it?
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On 21 Dec 2007 21:53:39 -0500, "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net>
wrote:
>Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
>> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some
>> kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
>> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business
>> she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
>> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
>I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
>times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
>I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
>barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.
>
>How do others do it?

Depends. Busier salons can be booked solid a few days in advance, so
'waiting until a barber was free' could get you a long wait.

Jasper

On 2007-12-21, Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:21:45 -0500, Sea Wasp
><seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
>>Mike Schilling wrote:
>>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
>>> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
>>> of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
>>> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
>>> gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
>>> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
>> That's not taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>>
>> That's being stupid and unprofessional. I've seen similar behavior in
>>the childless, only with less excuse. (note that I say "excuse" not
>>"reason").
>
> So you spend an hour or so calling people to cancel, rather than dropping
> everything if your kid is in hospital (assuming that either a) you don't
> yet know just what happened, you just heard 'hospital' or b) You do know
> what happened and it's bad, rather than c) she's getting two stitches for
> the cut and she's otherwise fine.) ?

Or, you hand your appointment book off to someone else to call all those
people.

--
Aaron Denney
-><-

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:52:56 +0000 (UTC), Aaron Denney <wnoise@ofb.net>
wrote:

>On 2007-12-21, Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:21:45 -0500, Sea Wasp
>><seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
>>>Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
>>>> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some kind
>>>> of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
>>>> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business she
>>>> gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
>>>> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.

>>> That's not taking advantage of her status as a parent.

>>> That's being stupid and unprofessional. I've seen similar behavior in
>>>the childless, only with less excuse. (note that I say "excuse" not
>>>"reason").

>> So you spend an hour or so calling people to cancel, rather than dropping
>> everything if your kid is in hospital (assuming that either a) you don't
>> yet know just what happened, you just heard 'hospital' or b) You do know
>> what happened and it's bad, rather than c) she's getting two stitches for
>> the cut and she's otherwise fine.) ?

>Or, you hand your appointment book off to someone else to call all those
>people.

Hmm, what if there is no "someone else"? I'm guessing that, The Other
Schilling's sarcastically implied tolerance notwithstanding, independant
contractors and sole proprietors who repeatedly cancel appointments on
account of family commitments don't do so well in the customer-retention
department.

Employees, can presumably tell their boss and let him take care of things,
perhaps by delegation; any employer has to have a plan for dealing with
unexpected absences. Almost certainly not involving, "tell the customer
he's SOL", hopefully not involving unpaid overtime for the rest of the
staff.

I'm also guessing that The Other Schilling did get his haircut that day,
albeit from another stylist/barber.


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*Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" *
*Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition *
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*John.Schillin@alumni.usc.edu * for success" *
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In article <fkhu7j$6u4$1@panix3.panix.com>,
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

> Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
> > woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some
> > kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
> > irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business
> > she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
> > someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
> I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
> times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
> I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
> barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.
>
> How do others do it?

I'm disabled and the barber has to come to me, so I have to make an
appointment.

--
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is
the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. (William Pitt the
Younger, 1783)

Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2007 21:53:39 -0500, "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net>
> wrote:
> >I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
> >times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
> >I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
> >barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.
> >
> >How do others do it?

That method worked for me in those cases I've paid to have my hair cut.

> Depends. Busier salons can be booked solid a few days in advance, so
> 'waiting until a barber was free' could get you a long wait.

The solution would be to find a less busy barber; a place calling itself a
"salon" would already by a bad sign about the price, around here.

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:41:29 -0800, archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) wrote:

>Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2007 21:53:39 -0500, "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net>
>> wrote:
>> >I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut. The few
>> >times I've paid to have my hair cut rather than cutting it myself,
>> >I've just shown up at a barber shop and waited until one of the
>> >barbers was free. Nobody there seemed to find this unusual.
>> >
>> >How do others do it?
>
>That method worked for me in those cases I've paid to have my hair cut.
>
>> Depends. Busier salons can be booked solid a few days in advance, so
>> 'waiting until a barber was free' could get you a long wait.
>
>The solution would be to find a less busy barber; a place calling itself a
>"salon" would already by a bad sign about the price, around here.

Well, yes. The more you pay, the less likely it is you can just show up.

Ironically enough.


Jasper

In message <1srvm3l383g3shopme28p0coqn0al55jm3@4ax.com>, Jasper Janssen
<jasper@jjanssen.org> writes
>On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:41:29 -0800, archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) wrote:

>>The solution would be to find a less busy barber; a place calling itself a
>>"salon" would already by a bad sign about the price, around here.
>
>Well, yes. The more you pay, the less likely it is you can just show up.

There's always "QB Just Cut House". They do haircuts, 9 bucks fixed
price in ten minutes. They're franchised all over the place.

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Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:41:29 -0800, archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) wrote:
> >> Depends. Busier salons can be booked solid a few days in advance, so
> >> 'waiting until a barber was free' could get you a long wait.
> >
> >The solution would be to find a less busy barber; a place calling itself a
> >"salon" would already by a bad sign about the price, around here.
>
> Well, yes. The more you pay, the less likely it is you can just show up.
> Ironically enough.

I don't know if it had anything to do with the quality of the haircut most
people get; mine is simple enough that it would be money wasted to find out.

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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:58:43 -0800, archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) wrote:
>Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:41:29 -0800, archmage@sfchat.org (Nate Edel) wrote:
>> >> Depends. Busier salons can be booked solid a few days in advance, so
>> >> 'waiting until a barber was free' could get you a long wait.
>> >
>> >The solution would be to find a less busy barber; a place calling itself a
>> >"salon" would already by a bad sign about the price, around here.
>>
>> Well, yes. The more you pay, the less likely it is you can just show up.
>> Ironically enough.
>
>I don't know if it had anything to do with the quality of the haircut most
>people get; mine is simple enough that it would be money wasted to find out.

Certainly, I said "the more you pay" rather than "the better quality
haircut you get" for a reason.

Personally I haven't set food in any barber for the past.. ooh, god, 5 or
6 years, I think. The extra shampoo and conditioner for the long ponytail
versus regular haircuts aren't that different in price, and the ponytail
is at least more *consistent* in appearance.

Jasper

In article <c1f4n313nqaofhd527m6jtetvld49gcha5@4ax.com>,
Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>Personally I haven't set food in any barber for the past.. ooh, god, 5 or
>6 years, I think. The extra shampoo and conditioner for the long ponytail
>versus regular haircuts aren't that different in price, and the ponytail
>is at least more *consistent* in appearance.

What do you do about the hair on the sides and front of your head?

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David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <c1f4n313nqaofhd527m6jtetvld49gcha5@4ax.com>,
> Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> Personally I haven't set food in any barber for the past.. ooh, god,
>> 5 or 6 years, I think. The extra shampoo and conditioner for the
>> long ponytail versus regular haircuts aren't that different in
>> price, and the ponytail is at least more *consistent* in appearance.
>
> What do you do about the hair on the sides and front of your head?

I note without further comment that Mr. Janssen did not specify where his
ponytail is located.


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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:29:31 +0000 (UTC), goldfarb@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David
Goldfarb) wrote:
>In article <c1f4n313nqaofhd527m6jtetvld49gcha5@4ax.com>,
>Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>>Personally I haven't set food in any barber for the past.. ooh, god, 5 or
>>6 years, I think. The extra shampoo and conditioner for the long ponytail
>>versus regular haircuts aren't that different in price, and the ponytail
>>is at least more *consistent* in appearance.
>
>What do you do about the hair on the sides and front of your head?

Same. Goes to the loosely bound ponytail.

Jasper

John Schilling wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:52:56 +0000 (UTC), Aaron Denney
> <wnoise@ofb.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2007-12-21, Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:21:45 -0500, Sea Wasp
>>> <seawaspObvious@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
>>>> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there,
>>>>> the woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had
>>>>> some kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she
>>>>> just irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last
>>>>> business she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless,
>>>>> or at least someone who stops taking advantage of her status as
>>>>> a
>>>>> parent.
>
>>>> That's not taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
>>>> That's being stupid and unprofessional. I've seen similar
>>>> behavior
>>>> in the childless, only with less excuse. (note that I say
>>>> "excuse"
>>>> not "reason").
>
>>> So you spend an hour or so calling people to cancel, rather than
>>> dropping everything if your kid is in hospital (assuming that
>>> either a) you don't yet know just what happened, you just heard
>>> 'hospital' or b) You do know what happened and it's bad, rather
>>> than c) she's getting two stitches for the cut and she's otherwise
>>> fine.) ?
>
>> Or, you hand your appointment book off to someone else to call all
>> those people.
>
> Hmm, what if there is no "someone else"? I'm guessing that, The
> Other
> Schilling's sarcastically implied tolerance notwithstanding,
> independant contractors and sole proprietors who repeatedly cancel
> appointments on account of family commitments don't do so well in
> the
> customer-retention department.

You need to cancel based on family emergencies, not family
commitments. Would you find "Next week's appointment will have to
move to Thursday, because my son has a soccer game Wednesday"
objectionable?

>
> Employees, can presumably tell their boss and let him take care of
> things, perhaps by delegation; any employer has to have a plan for
> dealing with unexpected absences. Almost certainly not involving,
> "tell the customer he's SOL", hopefully not involving unpaid
> overtime
> for the rest of the staff.
>
> I'm also guessing that The Other Schilling did get his haircut that
> day, albeit from another stylist/barber.

Actually the next day, since she was taking me as a later-than-last
appointment.

Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Mike Schilling <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I had an appointment for a haircut today, but when I got there, the
>> woman who cuts my hair had left because her daughter had had some
>> kind of emergency. She didn't even call me to cancel, she just
>> irresponsibly ran off to the hospital. That's the last business
>> she gets from me. I'm going to find someone childless, or at least
>> someone who stops taking advantage of her status as a parent.
>
> I'd never heard of a man making an appointment for a haircut.

I like the way this woman cuts my hair, and she's not good at doing
two people at once.