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Interesting points: Dan finally finds a 3rd time traveler, by the name
of Evans. Evans really screwed up his life. First, his wife Laura
died. Then Evans changed things so that he never met Laura. She
instead married a man who later became a supervisor. In mid 2007, Dan
and Livia help Evans rendezvous with Laura. Evans dances with her, and
then dies. Laura breaks up with her husband as a result of that dance.
Evans' death coincides in real time with Dan's first time jump! Dan
wonders if Evans' death was needed to start Dan's jumps. Is there a
limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?

Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
other.

I suggest that Elliot hook Dan up to all sorts of medical equipment to
find out how the time jump process works so that time jumps can be
controlled.

Livia is about to get married in two of her hours. After resolving the
Evans situation, Dan and Livia hug each other for the first time in this
series!:)

There exists a sedative that can keep a time jumper from jumping. Katie
suggests that Dan get some, but Dan thinks he should continue to be a
time jumper. I suggest that Dan obtain the sedative so that he can
avoid time jumping at times when it would be inconvenient (such as just
before parties or while walking his son on crowded SF sidewalks).

Did Livia take such a sedative during her long vacation in the 1990s?

If a sedative can suppress time jumps, could the antidote to that
sedative induce time jumps?

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>There exists a sedative that can keep a time jumper from jumping.

We don't know that. More likely, Evans had just become useless to the
Timeline Manipulator who vindictively put him somewhere for safekeeping
till his appointed time to die. Only on his last day of life did the
poor guy get a reprieve, the farewell to the life he erased.

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:34 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

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>Interesting points: Dan finally finds a 3rd time traveler, by the name
>of Evans. Evans really screwed up his life. First, his wife Laura
>died. Then Evans changed things so that he never met Laura. She
>instead married a man who later became a supervisor. In mid 2007, Dan
>and Livia help Evans rendezvous with Laura. Evans dances with her, and
>then dies. Laura breaks up with her husband as a result of that dance.
>Evans' death coincides in real time with Dan's first time jump! Dan
>wonders if Evans' death was needed to start Dan's jumps. Is there a
>limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
>Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
>time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
>knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
>airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
>about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
>Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
>cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
>that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
>other.
>
>I suggest that Elliot hook Dan up to all sorts of medical equipment to
>find out how the time jump process works so that time jumps can be
>controlled.

The time jumps ARE being controlled. And given what happens when you
defy the controller of the jumps, attempting to take controll away
from it would be such an incredibly bad idea assuming you love your
wife and want to keep on being married to her and your child and want
to keep him in existence.

>
>Livia is about to get married in two of her hours. After resolving the
>Evans situation, Dan and Livia hug each other for the first time in this
>series!:)
>
>There exists a sedative that can keep a time jumper from jumping. Katie
>suggests that Dan get some, but Dan thinks he should continue to be a
>time jumper. I suggest that Dan obtain the sedative so that he can
>avoid time jumping at times when it would be inconvenient (such as just
>before parties or while walking his son on crowded SF sidewalks).
>
>Did Livia take such a sedative during her long vacation in the 1990s?
>
>If a sedative can suppress time jumps, could the antidote to that
>sedative induce time jumps?

A sedative probably can't suppress time jumps.

On Dec 20, 9:40 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>
> We don't know that. More likely, Evans had just become useless to the
> Timeline Manipulator who vindictively put him somewhere for safekeeping
> till his appointed time to die. Only on his last day of life did the
> poor guy get a reprieve, the farewell to the life he erased.

No, it was Evan's own fault he ended up in a mental institution, he
told someone he was a time traveller and was stupid enough to keep
insisting it.
And we don't know he's dead. Don't assume he is dead.

mikeha.ca@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 20, 9:40 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> We don't know that. More likely, Evans had just become useless to the
>> Timeline Manipulator who vindictively put him somewhere for
>> safekeeping till his appointed time to die. Only on his last day of
>> life did the poor guy get a reprieve, the farewell to the life he
>> erased.
>
> No, it was Evan's own fault he ended up in a mental institution, he
> told someone he was a time traveller and was stupid enough to keep
> insisting it.
> And we don't know he's dead. Don't assume he is dead.

While I realize that in the world of comics no one ever permanently dies,
especially if you watch it happen and have the body afterwards (applies
here), I tend to get disguisted with it happening all the time in other
media. It just kills my suspension of disbelief when the dead don't stay
dead not to mention damaging the story telling by taking away one of the
primal fears for characters and the resulting conflict(s).

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James Gassaway wrote:

> mikeha.ca@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Dec 20, 9:40 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>>>We don't know that. More likely, Evans had just become useless to the
>>>Timeline Manipulator who vindictively put him somewhere for
>>>safekeeping till his appointed time to die. Only on his last day of
>>>life did the poor guy get a reprieve, the farewell to the life he
>>>erased.
>>
>>No, it was Evan's own fault he ended up in a mental institution, he
>>told someone he was a time traveller and was stupid enough to keep
>>insisting it.
>>And we don't know he's dead. Don't assume he is dead.
>
>
> While I realize that in the world of comics no one ever permanently dies,
> especially if you watch it happen and have the body afterwards (applies
> here), I tend to get disguisted with it happening all the time in other
> media. It just kills my suspension of disbelief when the dead don't stay
> dead not to mention damaging the story telling by taking away one of the
> primal fears for characters and the resulting conflict(s).
>

It's clearly a time travel show with alternate time lines. That
forgives the death in one time line and no death in another.

What happens to the daughter when Dan restores *his* timeline? Is she
still alive and Zach not born in an alternate reality where Dan can't
restore it?

To paraphrase one of the few good lines in ST:Voyager (I think)
*Temporal mechanics gives me a headache*!

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On Dec 20, 11:09 am, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:34 -0800, Tim Bruening
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>
That statement can't be made with certainty because the writers left
room for doubt.

Remember, when Dan asked Langley who was "doing this" to Dan, Langley
replied that his group had no evidence that anyone was "doing"
anything. So it could be that the time jumps are natural phenomena
which only a very tiny portion of the population is prone to
experiencing.

On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?

Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
two.

>
> Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
> time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
> knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
> airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
> about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
> Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
> cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
> that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
> other.

The "atom" example was lame. All Democrates conceived of was the
smallest piece of an element which was not further divisible, and then
he gave it a Greek name that meant "not divisible". I can't see that
as an anachronism that would attract a quantum physicist's attention.

As to the Aztec plane... I don't know about that one. Was it a machine
that looked like a bird but couldn't fly?

In article <2b8ceccc-a4a3-4efe-bbf2-64d78be94d5f@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
marc0ni@earthlink.net says...
>
>On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>
>Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
>Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
>travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
>had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
>further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
>Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
>two.
>
The speculations of this group make me miss the series even more.

On Dec 22, 8:45 pm, pgalimat...@hotmail.com (Pelerin Galimatias)
wrote:
> In article <2b8ceccc-a4a3-4efe-bbf2-64d78be94...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> marc...@earthlink.net says...
>
>
>
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>
> >Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> >Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> >travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> >had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> >further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> >Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> >two.
>
> The speculations of this group make me miss the series even more.

But the maturity of the series would have been difficult to maintain.
If the show had lasted into a second season, the family stories would
probably have been dumped in favor of some latter-day X-Files
conspiracy crap fest.

In article <ef150676-1ce0-44ed-b739-1bf98588e44e@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
marc0ni@earthlink.net says...
>
>On Dec 22, 8:45 pm, pgalimat...@hotmail.com (Pelerin Galimatias)
>wrote:
>> In article <2b8ceccc-a4a3-4efe-bbf2-64d78be94...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>>,
>> marc...@earthlink.net says...
>>
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>> >On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> >> Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>>
>> >Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
>> >Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
>> >travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
>> >had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
>> >further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
>> >Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
>> >two.
>>
>> The speculations of this group make me miss the series even more.
>
>But the maturity of the series would have been difficult to maintain.
>If the show had lasted into a second season, the family stories would
>probably have been dumped in favor of some latter-day X-Files
>conspiracy crap fest.

Which could have been pretty interesting for a time.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:54 -0800 (PST), "marc0ni@earthlink.net"
<marc0ni@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Dec 20, 11:09 am, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:34 -0800, Tim Bruening
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>
>>
>That statement can't be made with certainty because the writers left
>room for doubt.
>
>Remember, when Dan asked Langley who was "doing this" to Dan, Langley
>replied that his group had no evidence that anyone was "doing"
>anything. So it could be that the time jumps are natural phenomena
>which only a very tiny portion of the population is prone to
>experiencing.

Natural phenomena doesn't have a purpose.

On Dec 22, 10:02 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:54 -0800 (PST), "marc...@earthlink.net"
>
>
>
> <marc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >On Dec 20, 11:09 am, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:34 -0800, Tim Bruening
>
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>
> >That statement can't be made with certainty because the writers left
> >room for doubt.
>
> >Remember, when Dan asked Langley who was "doing this" to Dan, Langley
> >replied that his group had no evidence that anyone was "doing"
> >anything. So it could be that the time jumps are natural phenomena
> >which only a very tiny portion of the population is prone to
> >experiencing.
>
> Natural phenomena doesn't have a purpose.

What if the "purpose" behind each of Dan and Livia's "missions" was
only what the two of them decided the purpose *had been* at the
conclusion of a series of time trips?

Only the first time trip in each "mission" needed to be a random,
natural occurence. After that, further encounters with the same
subject could be explained by *Dan's* purposeful need to reach a more
desirable outcome in the subject's life. ("Desirable" from Dan's POV.)
That would merely require Dan to direct himself back to the same
subject without being consciously aware of how he's doing it. (Do
birds understand aerodynamics? Or do they simply flap their wings and
fly?)

Since Dan never knows where he's going and who he'll meet anyway, it's
not inconsistent for Dan to be unconsciously directing *himself*
somehow.

On Dec 22, 11:35 pm, "marc...@earthlink.net" <marc...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> As to the Aztec plane... I don't know about that one. Was it a machine
> that looked like a bird but couldn't fly?

I figured it was a reference to Erich von Danikin and his Chariots of
the Gods from the 1970s. One of his examples looked like an airport
or something. I've seen those pretty much debunked (in scale, or in
context, many of the things don't look like what they're supposed to
look like) but it was almost a throw-away line, that there are things
in the deep past that seem too modern. He might as well have said
Nostradamus.

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David Chesler wrote:
> On Dec 22, 11:35 pm, "marc...@earthlink.net" <marc...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> As to the Aztec plane... I don't know about that one. Was it a
>> machine that looked like a bird but couldn't fly?
>
> I figured it was a reference to Erich von Danikin and his Chariots of
> the Gods from the 1970s. One of his examples looked like an airport
> or something. I've seen those pretty much debunked (in scale, or in
> context, many of the things don't look like what they're supposed to
> look like) but it was almost a throw-away line, that there are things
> in the deep past that seem too modern. He might as well have said
> Nostradamus.

There are at least two different objects (or groups of objects) in question
that I know of. One is some wood carvings from Egypt that seem to depict
gliders or stylized long-flight time birds not native to the Med or North
Africa. There are also metal castings or carvings or something from South
America that appear to be rocket or jet aircraft. From what I know (and it
may be trumped by whatever you've learned) both are not too far off from
being scale models of working machines.

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"marc0ni@earthlink.net" wrote:

> On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > 1
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> > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> two.
>
> >
> > Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
> > time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
> > knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
> > airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
> > about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
> > Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
> > cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
> > that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
> > other.
>
> The "atom" example was lame. All Democrates conceived of was the
> smallest piece of an element which was not further divisible, and then
> he gave it a Greek name that meant "not divisible". I can't see that
> as an anachronism that would attract a quantum physicist's attention.
>
> As to the Aztec plane... I don't know about that one. Was it a machine
> that looked like a bird but couldn't fly?

I got the impression that Elliot was talking about an Aztec clay model that
looked like a modern airplane.

"marc0ni@earthlink.net" wrote:

> On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > 1
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> > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> two.

Then why would that Crazy Jumper need to die before Dan could start jumping?

In article
<ef150676-1ce0-44ed-b739-1bf98588e44e@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
marc0ni@earthlink.net says...
>
>On Dec 22, 8:45 pm, pgalimat...@hotmail.com (Pelerin Galimatias)
>wrote:
>> In article <2b8ceccc-a4a3-4efe-bbf2-64d78be94...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>>,
>> marc...@earthlink.net says...
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>> >On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> >> Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>>
>> >Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
>> >Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
>> >travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
>> >had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
>> >further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
>> >Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
>> >two.
>>
>> The speculations of this group make me miss the series even more.
>
>But the maturity of the series would have been difficult to maintain.
>If the show had lasted into a second season, the family stories would
>probably have been dumped in favor of some latter-day X-Files
>conspiracy crap fest.

Are you thinking of an X-Files/Journeyman crossover, with those two FBI
agents investigating temporal anomalies?

"marc0ni@earthlink.net" wrote:

> On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> two.

I suggest that Langley ask Dan to submit to extensive medical testing to find
out how he time travels so that Langley's group can create more time
travelers. If a drug can suppress time travel (as happened to Evans), maybe
another drug could stimulate it.

> > Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
> > time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
> > knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
> > airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
> > about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
> > Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
> > cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
> > that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
> > other.
>
> The "atom" example was lame. All Democrates conceived of was the
> smallest piece of an element which was not further divisible, and then
> he gave it a Greek name that meant "not divisible". I can't see that
> as an anachronism that would attract a quantum physicist's attention.

Maybe Elliot didn't think that Democrates could have conceived the concept of
a smallest indivisible piece of an element without information from the
future.

Tim, kindly stop the bullshit crosspost to mn.humor.

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>"marc0ni@earthlink.net" wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>>>Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?

>>Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
>>Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
>>travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
>>had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
>>further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
>>Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
>>two.

>Then why would that Crazy Jumper need to die before Dan could start jumping?

I'll offer a theory. Evan had become a random element the Timeline
Manipulator couldn't control. To eliminate the randomness, Dan became
his pawn on Evan's appointed day of death.

It's not really a satisfactory explanation for why the Timeline
Manipulator didn't move up his appointed day of death and select another
candidate for pawn, but that may have had something to do with the
established relationship between Dan and Livia that he'd been working on
for so long with no other potential pawns so far along.

Nor is it a satisfactory explantion for why Evan's wife couldn't be
saved, given that it was predictable that it would have a devastating
effect on Evan, rendering him ineffective.

Two possibilities on this: The Timeline Manipulator isn't all that
brilliant a chess player. Evan was deliberately sacrificed.

In any event, Evan's sad fate had the added benefit of being a warning
to Dan to obey.

On Dec 24, 12:38 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
> In article
> <ef150676-1ce0-44ed-b739-1bf98588e...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> marc...@earthlink.net says...
>
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> >On Dec 22, 8:45 pm, pgalimat...@hotmail.com (Pelerin Galimatias)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <2b8ceccc-a4a3-4efe-bbf2-64d78be94...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com
> >>,
> >> marc...@earthlink.net says...
>
> >> >On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> >> >> Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> >> >Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> >> >Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> >> >travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> >> >had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> >> >further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> >> >Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> >> >two.
>
> >> The speculations of this group make me miss the series even more.
>
> >But the maturity of the series would have been difficult to maintain.
> >If the show had lasted into a second season, the family stories would
> >probably have been dumped in favor of some latter-day X-Files
> >conspiracy crap fest.
>
> Are you thinking of an X-Files/Journeyman crossover, with those two FBI
> agents investigating temporal anomalies?

No. I was expressing my concern that if Journeyman had continued into
a second season it would have turned into something as crappy as the X-
Files became.

On Dec 24, 12:36 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
> "marc...@earthlink.net" wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> > > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> > Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> > Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> > travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> > had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> > further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> > Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> > two.
>
> Then why would that Crazy Jumper need to die before Dan could start jumping?

We don't know that CJ "needed" to die. That was Dan's question to
Langley, and Langley didn't know.

On Dec 24, 12:47 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
> "marc...@earthlink.net" wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > 1
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> > > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
>
> > Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> > Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> > travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> > had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> > further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> > Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> > two.
>
> I suggest that Langley ask Dan to submit to extensive medical testing to find
> out how he time travels so that Langley's group can create more time
> travelers. If a drug can suppress time travel (as happened to Evans), maybe
> another drug could stimulate it.
>
> > > Dan meets with Elliot Langley, who admits that he has been investigating
> > > time travelers, as a result of temporal anomalies such as ancient Greeks
> > > knowing about atoms and the Aztecs making perfect clay models of
> > > airplanes. I had heard about the Greeks knowing about atoms, but not
> > > about the Aztec airplane models. Elliot should also have mentioned
> > > Leonardo de Vinci designing aircraft 500 years ago. Elliot strongly
> > > cautions Dan against telling anyone about his time jumps. Elliot thinks
> > > that Dan is the last time jumper, but Dan assures him that there is one
> > > other.
>
> > The "atom" example was lame. All Democrates conceived of was the
> > smallest piece of an element which was not further divisible, and then
> > he gave it a Greek name that meant "not divisible". I can't see that
> > as an anachronism that would attract a quantum physicist's attention.
>
> Maybe Elliot didn't think that Democrates could have conceived the concept of
> a smallest indivisible piece of an element without information from the
> future.

How difficult a concept could it have been? All it would have taken
would for Democrates observing something in everyday life being
divided (a block of marble, for example) and then speculating about
how many times the pieces could continue being divided.

What would have really been startling would have been if Democrates
had speculated about quarks.

"marc0ni@earthlink.net" wrote:

> On Dec 24, 12:36 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
> > "marc...@earthlink.net" wrote:
> > > On Dec 20, 1:32 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > 1
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> > > > Is there a limit on how many time jumpers there can be at any one time?
> >
> > > Langley's conversation with Dan in the elevator suggests otherwise.
> > > Langley's group's investigations suggest that the number of time
> > > travelers is "dwindling." The numbers could only "dwindle" if there
> > > had been more than one. And since Langley is unaware of Livia, that
> > > further suggests that there have been even more than two at any time.
> > > Heck, even the use of the word "cadre" hints at a number larger than
> > > two.
> >
> > Then why would that Crazy Jumper need to die before Dan could start jumping?
>
> We don't know that CJ "needed" to die. That was Dan's question to
> Langley, and Langley didn't know.

Dan's first jump happened just after CJ died, implying that CJ needed to die to
activate Dan.

Still cutting the bullshit crosspost to mn.humor.

Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

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>Dan's first jump happened just after CJ died, implying that CJ needed
>to die to activate Dan.

Again, we know only what's convenient for the Timeline manipulator.
Perhaps he's not clever enough to plot out the moves far enough in
advance with more than two pawns.

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:47728889$0$47150$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readf reenews.net...
> Still cutting the bullshit crosspost to mn.humor.
>
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
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>
>>Dan's first jump happened just after CJ died, implying that CJ needed
>>to die to activate Dan.
>
> Again, we know only what's convenient for the Timeline manipulator.
> Perhaps he's not clever enough to plot out the moves far enough in
> advance with more than two pawns.

Why couldn't it simply be that it was time for CJ to die? We all do. It
was simply his destiny to die at that time (whatever *destiny* is). Dan
could just have been his replacement.

What makes you think the *Timeline manipulator* is a *she*? Perhaps it is
Livia herself.

Maybe no one is clever enough to change the *big things*. The changes made
have all been for the greater good, but on a smaller scale, that won't make
too many differences in the timeline.

Dano <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>What makes you think the *Timeline manipulator* is a *she*? Perhaps it is
>Livia herself.

You who? Others have mentioned the Livia theory, but no one assigned a
sex to the Entity. For all we know, it's from a species with more than
two sexes.

"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What makes you think the *Timeline manipulator* is a *she*?
> Perhaps it is Livia herself.

If Livia was behind it all, why was she so confused about when and
when she jumped to when she landed in Dan & Katie's closet where
the bag o' money was?

-- jayembee

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:57:27 -0500, "Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in message
>news:47728889$0$47150$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readf reenews.net...
>> Still cutting the bullshit crosspost to mn.humor.
>>
>> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
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>>
>>>Dan's first jump happened just after CJ died, implying that CJ needed
>>>to die to activate Dan.
>>
>> Again, we know only what's convenient for the Timeline manipulator.
>> Perhaps he's not clever enough to plot out the moves far enough in
>> advance with more than two pawns.
>
>Why couldn't it simply be that it was time for CJ to die? We all do. It
>was simply his destiny to die at that time (whatever *destiny* is). Dan
>could just have been his replacement.
>
>What makes you think the *Timeline manipulator* is a *she*? Perhaps it is
>Livia herself.
>

Livia has been taken by surprise by her jumps more than once.