I am out of here until I see it.


--

Rome wasn't built in a day.
Mind you, it only took a day to burn.


Vote Saxon [X]

In article <r9k2n3t19avlhee4epe3hu174m7jb31ve9@4ax.com>,
John Pertwee <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I am out of here until I see it.
>
>
>--
>
>Rome wasn't built in a day.
>Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>
>
>Vote Saxon [X]

Enjoy!!
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should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:fkrlng$6ef$7@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <r9k2n3t19avlhee4epe3hu174m7jb31ve9@4ax.com>,
> John Pertwee <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I am out of here until I see it.
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Rome wasn't built in a day.
> >Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
> >
> >
> >Vote Saxon [X]
>
> Enjoy!!
> --
> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

On Dec 25, 1:52 pm, John Pertwee <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am out of here until I see it.
>
> --
>
> Rome wasn't built in a day.
> Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>
> Vote Saxon [X]

Green with jealousy in the USA...

In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
<johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am out of here until I see it.

I hope you were less disappointed than I was.

Minor spoilers follow.

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Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
year's effort.

Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
the least interesting of the supporting cast.

On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.

The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".

The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
better the robots looked in the older story.

Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
runaround.

Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.

--
PJR :-)

"Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
> Minor spoilers follow.
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> Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
> didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
> year's effort.
>
> Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
> the least interesting of the supporting cast.

The opinion in our household was that Kylie was surprisingly good in the
role.

> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.

I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
come from McCoy's mouth?

> The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
> dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
> interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
> clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".

It was a Christmas special. The music reflected this. I quite enjoyed it.

> The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
> reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
> better the robots looked in the older story.
>
> Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
> isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
> runaround.
>
> Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.

We all enjoyed. 8/10.

Very average.

4/10

Nod

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"Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
> Minor spoilers follow.
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> Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
> didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
> year's effort.
>
> Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
> the least interesting of the supporting cast.
>
> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>
> The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
> dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
> interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
> clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".
>
> The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
> reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
> better the robots looked in the older story.
>
> Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
> isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
> runaround.

They wern`t poking fun at the Queen. It`s common knowledge that she loves
the show and buys the DVDs...I`m sure this would have been put their to put
a smile on her face as much as anything. It`s not as if anything happened
that showed the Queen in a bad light.

In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:23:58 GMT, Stephen Wilson
<stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
> "Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
>> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>
>> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>>
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>> Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
>> didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
>> year's effort.
>>
>> Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
>> the least interesting of the supporting cast.
>
> The opinion in our household was that Kylie was surprisingly good in the
> role.

Opinions differ. I thought she was surprisingly bad, since I remember
her as Charlene in Neighbours and thought that this time she failed to
"run the whole gamut of emotions from A to B" by failing to reach B.

>> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
>> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
>> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
>> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
>> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>
> I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
> you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
> come from McCoy's mouth?

Yes, I am. McCoy didn't characterise the Doctor as an unlikeable tit,
and was quite good as being quietly serious.

As an example of what an unlikeable tit this Doctor is, consider that
the only death he regretted was the death of the bint he snogged.

>> The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
>> dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
>> interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
>> clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".
>
> It was a Christmas special. The music reflected this. I quite enjoyed it.

It was just so very generic and dull.

"This is an action scene, so we'll have some action music. This is a
sentimental scene, so we'll have some sentimental music."

I prefer even the ear-splitting rubbish music in The Silurians,
because at least the ear-splitting rubbish music is used in an attempt
to add extra meaning to the story instead of merely duplicating what
can be seen and heard without it.

Once, DW pushed boundaries. Now it just pushes buttons. Now it's just
a feel-good experience that never challenges the viewer to use his or
her brain. No wonder it's almost as popular as soap opera.

>> The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
>> reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
>> better the robots looked in the older story.
>>
>> Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
>> isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
>> runaround.
>>
>> Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.
>
> We all enjoyed. 8/10.

Of course, you're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

--
PJR :-)

In article <e0dd0b07-e5a6-4997-8de0-8cfaa9cc579f@j64g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
Jim J <jsjunot@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 25, 1:52 pm, John Pertwee <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rome wasn't built in a day.
>> Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>>
>> Vote Saxon [X]
>
>Green with jealousy in the USA...

Canada should be next.
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God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the season!

In article <slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org>,
Peter J Ross <pjr.spam@gmail.com> wrote:
>In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
><johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
>I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
>Minor spoilers follow.
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>Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
>didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
>year's effort.
>
>Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
>the least interesting of the supporting cast.
>
>On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
>finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
>mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
>any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
>brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>
>The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
>dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
>interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
>clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".
>
>The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
>reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
>better the robots looked in the older story.
>
>Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
>isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
>runaround.
>
>Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.
>
>--
>PJR :-)

Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
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In article <Oxecj.15461$745.9724@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
>news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
>> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>
>> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>>
>> Minor spoilers follow.
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>> Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
>> didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
>> year's effort.
>>
>> Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
>> the least interesting of the supporting cast.
>
>The opinion in our household was that Kylie was surprisingly good in the
>role.
>
>> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
>> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
>> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
>> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
>> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>
>I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
>you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
>come from McCoy's mouth?
>
>> The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
>> dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
>> interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
>> clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".
>
>It was a Christmas special. The music reflected this. I quite enjoyed it.
>
>> The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
>> reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
>> better the robots looked in the older story.
>>
>> Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
>> isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
>> runaround.
>>
>> Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.
>
>We all enjoyed. 8/10.
>
>

Average 5/10 .
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In article <ZYfcj.41303$S37.30508@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Nod <Nod@Deathbadger.co.uk> wrote:
>Very average.
>
>4/10
>
> Nod
>
>--
>http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?username=Nod
>
>http://www.who3d.co.uk/
>
>

2 + 4 + 8 / 3 = 4.6667 .
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On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

>
> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(

How can it be a *major* thumbs down when only a handful have commented
from the millions of people who watched it? There is a world outside
of RADW you know.

I thought it was alright. Not the best Who, but alright.

On Dec 25, 7:16 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <Oxecj.15461$745.9...@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
> >> <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
> >> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
> >> Minor spoilers follow.
>
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> >> Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
> >> didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
> >> year's effort.
>
> >> Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
> >> the least interesting of the supporting cast.
>
> >The opinion in our household was that Kylie was surprisingly good in the
> >role.
>
> >> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
> >> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
> >> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
> >> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
> >> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>
> >I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
> >you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
> >come from McCoy's mouth?
>
> >> The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
> >> dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
> >> interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
> >> clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".
>
> >It was a Christmas special. The music reflected this. I quite enjoyed it.
>
> >> The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
> >> reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
> >> better the robots looked in the older story.
>
> >> Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
> >> isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
> >> runaround.
>
> >> Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.
>
> >We all enjoyed. 8/10.
>
> Average 5/10 .



It was 0/10 Yads .........and you know it!




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You could go back to the third world

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> In article
<e0dd0b07-e5a6-4997-8de0-8cfaa9cc579f@j64g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
> Jim J <jsjunot@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 25, 1:52 pm, John Pertwee <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I am out of here until I see it.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rome wasn't built in a day.
> >> Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
> >>
> >> Vote Saxon [X]
> >
> >Green with jealousy in the USA...
>
> Canada should be next.
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> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

Then don't watch it, don't let your mother force you to watch it

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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:fksdgo$qjf$8@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org>,
>
> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
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> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

On Dec 25, 7:16 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <ZYfcj.41303$S37.30...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>
> Nod <N...@Deathbadger.co.uk> wrote:
> >Very average.
>
> >4/10
>
> >    Nod
>
> >--
> >http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?username=Nod
>
> >http://www.who3d.co.uk/
>
> 2 + 4 + 8 / 3 = 4.6667 .
> --


Trying to calculate the length of you weener in centimetres if you
used a ***** pump every day for the next ten years?

Only in your mind

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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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news:fksdhc$qjf$9@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <Oxecj.15461$745.9724@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Average 5/10 .
> --
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> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

Pity your mother who got stuck with a condom with a hole in it

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Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:fksdi5$qjf$10@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <ZYfcj.41303$S37.30508@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Nod <Nod@Deathbadger.co.uk> wrote:
> >Very average.
> >
> >4/10
> >
> > Nod
> >
> >--
> >http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?username=Nod
> >
> >http://www.who3d.co.uk/
> >
> >
>
> 2 + 4 + 8 / 3 = 4.6667 .
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> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:32:50 -0800 (PST), Jim J <jsjunot@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 25, 1:52*pm, John Pertwee <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rome wasn't built in a day.
>> Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>>
>> Vote Saxon [X]
>
>Green with jealousy in the USA...

I am in the USA, and it was great.



--

Rome wasn't built in a day.
Mind you, it only took a day to burn.


Vote Saxon [X]

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:38 +0000, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
><johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
>I hope you were less disappointed than I was.

I loved it. My 10 yesr old twins said it was the best ever.
--

Rome wasn't built in a day.
Mind you, it only took a day to burn.


Vote Saxon [X]

"The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(

Lets look at what people have been saying...

John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
Nod - "Very average 4/10"
Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"

so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion "a
major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to really
enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has since it
returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!

Best of the Christmas specials so far. Whole family sat and watched
even grand parents who do not like Who watched and enjoyed. Good
family entertainment for Christmas Day.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:38 +0000, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
><johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
>I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
>Minor spoilers follow.
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>Cribbins and Palmer were excellent, as expected, but their cameos
>didn't rescue the show, which surprised me by being worse than last
>year's effort.

Both had too little to do to be effective really. Palmer was very very
good with his brief bit. I suspect Cribbins was there as a set up for
the Doctor Lite episodes.

>
>Kylie Minogue apparently can't act at all. Her character was by far
>the least interesting of the supporting cast.

Terrible performance. Made Freema Agyeman seem adequate.

>
>On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
>finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
>mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
>any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
>brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>

Tennant works superbly for me.

>The writing, direction, settings, special effects and music were all
>dull. I don't usually notice the music, but there wasn't much else of
>interest to distract me from it, and it consisted of nothing but
>clichés apart from one wildly OTT "Big Tune".


The show has consisently had poor incidental music. Murray Gold is
Keff McCulloch for the year 2007.

Mostly too loud and too cinematic, certainly always overstated.

>
>The "hosts" were surprisingly shoddy: the brief visual fanwanky
>reference to Robots of Death was ill-advised, considering how much
>better the robots looked in the older story.

The hand scene was pretty lame, as was the nod to the Poseidon
Adventure.

>
>Poking fun at the Queen is so daring and clever, isn't it? Well no, it
>isn't, actually. It's boring, like everything else in this childish
>runaround.
>
>Verdict: not as bad as The Idiot's Lantern but close. 2/10.

"Ian Salsbury" <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>
> Lets look at what people have been saying...
>
> John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
> Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
> Nod - "Very average 4/10"
> Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
> Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
> Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
> Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
> Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
> Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
> Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
> Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
> Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
> Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>
> so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion
> "a major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to
> really enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has
> since it returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!

You will also notice that the people who hated it have hated all of RTD's
stories. We *knew* they were going to watch it anyway and then tell us how
bad they thought it was.

John Pertwee wrote:
> I am out of here until I see it.

Well, I enjoyed it. Not the best Who, but a
damned sight better than last year's special.
Kylie was surprisingly adequate, the rest of
the cast were fine (I would have liked to have
seen more from Geoffrey Palmer) and the
effects were spectacular. The script was the
usual RTD "pile up the cliches" runaround,
but it worked well for a Christmas Day treat
when no one's up to thinking too much.

7/10

Diane L.

Peter J Ross wrote:


> Once, DW pushed boundaries.

Could you give an example of a boundary that DW pushed? I remember
it as a very popular family show that gave the kids a good safe scare
and the grown ups a few laughs. Much as it does now.

Diane L.

In article <etl3n3p34lptvoe0gghvsu6lpiosn1mlcu@4ax.com>,
John Pertwee <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:32:50 -0800 (PST), Jim J <jsjunot@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Dec 25, 1:52*pm, John Pertwee <johnpertweea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rome wasn't built in a day.
>>> Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>>>
>>> Vote Saxon [X]
>>
>>Green with jealousy in the USA...
>
>I am in the USA, and it was great.
>
>
>
>--
>
>Rome wasn't built in a day.
>Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>
>
>Vote Saxon [X]

Lincher!
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In article <svl3n3l5a49qrmi5quj3p20snr43t80rnr@4ax.com>,
John Pertwee <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:38 +0000, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
>><johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am out of here until I see it.
>>
>>I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
>
>I loved it. My 10 yesr old twins said it was the best ever.
>--
>
>Rome wasn't built in a day.
>Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
>
>
>Vote Saxon [X]

Oi!
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> In article <etl3n3p34lptvoe0gghvsu6lpiosn1mlcu@4ax.com>,
>> Lincher!
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season!

Twerp

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a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
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"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <svl3n3l5a49qrmi5quj3p20snr43t80rnr@4ax.com>,
> John Pertwee <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:38 +0000, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
> >><johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am out of here until I see it.
> >>
> >>I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
> >
> >I loved it. My 10 yesr old twins said it was the best ever.
> >--
> >
> >Rome wasn't built in a day.
> >Mind you, it only took a day to burn.
> >
> >
> >Vote Saxon [X]
>
> Oi!
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> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

In article <5tenbnF1coo83U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ian Salsbury <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>
>Lets look at what people have been saying...
>
>John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
>Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
>Nod - "Very average 4/10"
>Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
>Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
>Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
>Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
>Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
>Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
>Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
>Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
>Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
>Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>
>so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion "a
>major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to really
>enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has since it
>returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!
>
>
>

IF RTD continues, well ...
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Will you really kill yourself

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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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> In article <5tenbnF1coo83U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Ian Salsbury <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
>>
> IF RTD continues, well ...
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> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

Big deal

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a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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> In article <13n4dbvtekvsm1e@corp.supernews.com>,
> Diane L. <dianenews@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like 5 to 6 /10 on the average.
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> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

In article <13n4dbvtekvsm1e@corp.supernews.com>,
Diane L. <dianenews@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>John Pertwee wrote:
>> I am out of here until I see it.
>
>Well, I enjoyed it. Not the best Who, but a
>damned sight better than last year's special.
>Kylie was surprisingly adequate, the rest of
>the cast were fine (I would have liked to have
>seen more from Geoffrey Palmer) and the
>effects were spectacular. The script was the
>usual RTD "pile up the cliches" runaround,
>but it worked well for a Christmas Day treat
>when no one's up to thinking too much.
>
>7/10
>
>Diane L.
>
>

Looks like 5 to 6 /10 on the average.
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In article <fksdhc$qjf$9@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

>Average 5/10 .

I enjoyed it, so I'll give it mongoose out of orang-utans.

(Stick that in your averages!)

Cat.

"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>
> IF RTD continues, well ...

Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
so far.

And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:06:30 -0000, "Ian Salsbury"
<Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>
>Lets look at what people have been saying...
>
>John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
>Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
>Nod - "Very average 4/10"
>Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
>Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
>Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
>Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
>Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
>Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
>Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
>Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
>Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
>Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>
>so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion "a
>major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to really
>enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has since it
>returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!
>
>


OG has roughly 25% saying it is 5/5, one of the best, 50% saying it
was great, and 25% saying it was average or less.

A far more representative sample.

"Wayne J. Kinsella" <kinsella1970@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4qc5n31u1kajmbcp7buvemma645rf7d0uf@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:06:30 -0000, "Ian Salsbury"
> <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>>news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>>
>>Lets look at what people have been saying...
>>
>>John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
>>Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
>>Nod - "Very average 4/10"
>>Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
>>Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
>>Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
>>Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
>>Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
>>Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
>>Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
>>Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
>>Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
>>Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>>
>>so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion
>>"a
>>major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to really
>>enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has since it
>>returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!
>>
>>
>
>
> OG has roughly 25% saying it is 5/5, one of the best, 50% saying it
> was great, and 25% saying it was average or less.
>
> A far more representative sample.

Indeed, 75% rating it at "least" great.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:34:44 -0000, "Ian Salsbury"
<Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Wayne J. Kinsella" <kinsella1970@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4qc5n31u1kajmbcp7buvemma645rf7d0uf@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:06:30 -0000, "Ian Salsbury"
>> <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>>>
>>>Lets look at what people have been saying...
>>>
>>>John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
>>>Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
>>>Nod - "Very average 4/10"
>>>Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
>>>Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
>>>Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
>>>Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
>>>Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
>>>Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
>>>Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
>>>Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
>>>Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
>>>Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>>>
>>>so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion
>>>"a
>>>major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to really
>>>enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has since it
>>>returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> OG has roughly 25% saying it is 5/5, one of the best, 50% saying it
>> was great, and 25% saying it was average or less.
>>
>> A far more representative sample.
>
>Indeed, 75% rating it at "least" great.
>
>

That is pretty mediocre for OG. Usually a run of the mill story is in
the mid eighties.

In article <u9xcj.16508$Hc3.13183@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>
>>
>> IF RTD continues, well ...
>
>Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
>top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
>so far.
>
>And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?
>
>
>

He might be doingthe JN-T shuffle causing its faliure.

Time for a new producer that has the values.
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But not yours

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> In article <u9xcj.16508$Hc3.13183@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
..
>
> Time for a new producer that has the values.
> --
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season!

I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
Peter J Ross got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:23:58 GMT, Stephen Wilson
> <stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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> > "Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
> >> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
> >> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
> >> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
> >> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
> >> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
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> > I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
> > you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
> > come from McCoy's mouth?
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> Yes, I am. McCoy didn't characterise the Doctor as an unlikeable tit,
> and was quite good as being quietly serious.

I'm imagining McCoy saying it distractedly, while working away at some
control panel or other. Then pausing to look up and say the "got a
problem with that?" bit directly to someone's face. This way seems to
work for any of the Doctors - I think that having him do the whole
speech directly to the camera (through one character's eyes) was the
mistake.

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I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>
> >
> > IF RTD continues, well ...
>
> Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
> top rated programmes of the year.

Can we please stop using that defence? I know that there's no way of
proving it, but isn't it just possible that the show's success is due,
in part, to the colossal amount of hype the BBC marketing machine is
producing? Never mind posters on buses, there were trailers in the
_cinema_ this year.

I know it's an unprecedented success, and mostly quite good, but it
could still be so much *better* (and still get all the viewers) if it
didn't reek of smugness.

> Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
> so far.

His insistence on trying to make everything bigger and more impressive
than the previous time around. Witness the increasing size of the swarm
of bad guys in each series finale, requiring a bigger magical reset
switch to destroy them/put right all the devastation. How do you top
that? Why, you bring in an even sillier number to do even more damage
next time.

I liked a lot of VotD, but I saw having the Earth being threatened as a
symptom of this, and completely unnecessary. Is the viewing public
really that self-obsessed that they won't find the fate of the ship and
passengers interesting enough, and need six billion humans added to the
potential body count to stop them from switching over?

It all comes across as a very short-sighted way of maintaining interest.
By focusing so much on "writing big pictures"[1], I suspect he's
ignoring the big picture.


There's also his fascination with reality TV, which usually manifests
itself as those London-based family scenes. Astrid gave us all the
background we needed, but we still got (i) scenes of a deserted London,
that added nothing to the show (other than acknowledging that setting
the Christmas specials there is getting silly and repetitive) and (ii)
two stereotyped commoners among the stereotyped rich snobs (are we meant
to identify with one group and deride the other?)


[1] This interview explains a lot about why RTD is doing it this way (as
well as his love of Big Brother). I understand, but don't always agree.
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1919243.ece

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In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:36:52 GMT, Stephen Wilson
<sr.wilson@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
> "Ian Salsbury" <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5tenbnF1coo83U1@mid.individual.net...
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>> "The Real Zarbiface" <zarbiface@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e8254fbd-493f-443b-8d58-b3fb0ed21146@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 26 Dec, 02:15, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a major thumbs down :-(
>>
>> Lets look at what people have been saying...
>>
>> John Pertwee - "I thought it was great"
>> Stephen Wilson - "We all enjoyed, 8/10"
>> Nod - "Very average 4/10"
>> Zarbi - "alright, not the best but alright"
>> Aggs - <the usual deranged vilification>
>> Solar - "possibly the best Xmas special so far"
>> Monkey - "cringe-worthy 5/10"
>> Stephen O`Connell -- "I enjoyed it and so did my kds"
>> Luke Curtis - "a highly enjoyable piece of family entertainment"
>> Peter J Ross - <hated it> "not as bad as Idiot`s Lantern but close 2/10"
>> Me - "Everyone in my family thought it was great"
>> Rob - "6/10 for Kylie and her boots"
>> Norman - "fun and I`ll watch it again"
>>
>> so...13 people is hardly representative enough to come to the conclusion
>> "a major thumbs down"...especially when over half of them professed to
>> really enjoying it! The show received the highest ratings it ever has
>> since it returned so there`s certainly no sign of the bubble bursting yet!
>
> You will also notice that the people who hated it have hated all of RTD's
> stories. We *knew* they were going to watch it anyway and then tell us how
> bad they thought it was.

I like some of RTD's work. I don't think he's anywhere near the
greatest DW writer ever, but I liked The Christmas Invasion a lot, to
give but one example.


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In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:06 GMT, Stephen Wilson
<stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
> "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>
>>
>> IF RTD continues, well ...
>
> Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
> top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
> so far.

He hasn't gone wrong at all if his aim is to produce a massively
popular TV show that I happen not to like much.

> And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?

I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.

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In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:16:38 -0000, Diane L.
<dianenews@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross wrote:
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>> Once, DW pushed boundaries.
>
> Could you give an example of a boundary that DW pushed? I remember
> it as a very popular family show that gave the kids a good safe scare
> and the grown ups a few laughs. Much as it does now.

Genesis of the Daleks: a safe family show that explored the ethics of
genocide and presented a charismatic dictator with whose disabilities
one couldn't help sympathising.

Trial of a Timelord: The good guys are worse than the bad guys, and
history really is written by the winners.

The Mind Robber: Fiction, reality: what's the difference? Seriously
what's the difference? Let's explore that question exhaustively.

The Silurians: See those monsters that scared you out of your wits?
Well, they're people just like you and me, or possibly a little
better.

Edge of Destruction: We don't need a budget to blow your minds. A pair
of scissors will suffice.

The Green Death: Maybe those smelly long-haired hippies have a point?


It occurs to me that one of the problems with the new series is that
nobody feels threatened enough by it to complain about it to the BBC.
A lot of the old series was no better (much of the Letts and Williams
eras, for instance), but the only complaints I've seem about the new
series' themes have amounted to little more than that it's a bit too
PC about homosexuality and race relations for some loonies' liking.

Up to at least number 48 of the BF audios (the excellent "Davros"
story, which is the most recent one I've heard), I think that the
audio stories continue the boundary-pushing tradition better than the
new TV stories. The new TV stories just don't take risks, with the
sole exception of the earlier parts of Dalek and Love & Monsters, both
of which show a rare willingness to encourage the audience to *think*.

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In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:40:43 +0000, The Face of Po
<gkennington@claIrVOYaNT.coLD.DuCk> wrote:

> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> Peter J Ross got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:23:58 GMT, Stephen Wilson
>> <stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Peter J Ross" <pjr@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:slrnfn2raq.491.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org...
>> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:52:10 -0600, John Pertwee
>> >> <johnpertweeapww@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I am out of here until I see it.
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>> >> I hope you were less disappointed than I was.
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>> >> On the other hand, David Tennant can obviously act very well, but I'm
>> >> finally convinced that he's hopelessly miscast. I can imagine big
>> >> mpments, such as his "903 years old" speech, working quite well with
>> >> any of his nine predecessors. Instead I laughed at him. He had one
>> >> brilliant moment: the little "take me to your leader" joke.
>> >
>> > I can't imagine any of the previous 9 Doctors doing it any better. And are
>> > you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't fall about laughing had it
>> > come from McCoy's mouth?
>>
>> Yes, I am. McCoy didn't characterise the Doctor as an unlikeable tit,
>> and was quite good as being quietly serious.
>
> I'm imagining McCoy saying it distractedly, while working away at some
> control panel or other.

"oh dearrr, it doesn't-uh seem to be worrrrrking..."

> Then pausing to look up and say the "got a
> problem with that?" bit directly to someone's face.

And the "someone" would be a character who had been established as
dislikable.

Yes, I can see that working, though I can also see it being spoilt by
the production team.

> This way seems to
> work for any of the Doctors - I think that having him do the whole
> speech directly to the camera (through one character's eyes) was the
> mistake.

It was a "Look at me! I'm the hero!" speech, and on second thoughts I
think the fault was more in the script than in the attempted
performance. No previous Doctor was required to announce himself as
the saviour of mankind in this way. Tennant did what he could with
some very bad lines.


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In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:05:35 -0000, Diane L.
<dianenews@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

> (I would have liked to have
> seen more from Geoffrey Palmer)

It's bloody annoying that he's been in DW three times and has never
been given time to present a well-rounded characterisation before
being killed off.

Imagine Palmer as the self-sacrificing hero instead of Minogue.


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In article <slrnfnai03.5cg.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org>,
Peter J Ross <pjr.spam@gmail.com> wrote:
>In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:06 GMT, Stephen Wilson
><stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>
>>>
>>> IF RTD continues, well ...
>>
>> Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
>> top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
>> so far.
>
>He hasn't gone wrong at all if his aim is to produce a massively
>popular TV show that I happen not to like much.
>
>> And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?
>
>I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
>1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
>thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
>ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.
>

Well PEter really DW has not changed since 1970.
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Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the season!

On Dec 28, 7:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:


> I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
> 1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
> thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
> ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.
>
> --
> PJR :-)

I am struggling with this one a bit. Wouldn't you rather the
programme didn't fail, or am I missing some obvious point here?

Regards

H

Don't lie

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the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:fl44um$efd$13@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <slrnfnai03.5cg.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org>,
> Peter J Ross <pjr.spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:06 GMT, Stephen Wilson
> ><stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> IF RTD continues, well ...
> >>
> >> Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of
the
> >> top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone
wrong
> >> so far.
> >
> >He hasn't gone wrong at all if his aim is to produce a massively
> >popular TV show that I happen not to like much.
> >
> >> And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?
> >
> >I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
> >1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
> >thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
> >ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.
> >
>
> Well PEter really DW has not changed since 1970.
> --
> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Merry CHRISTmas 2007 and Happy New Year 2008! CHRIST is the reason for the
season!

On Dec 28, 12:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> It was a "Look at me! I'm the hero!" speech, and on second thoughts I
> think the fault was more in the script than in the attempted
> performance. No previous Doctor was required to announce himself as
> the saviour of mankind in this way. Tennant did what he could with

I don't think this speech was supposed to be canonical. To me it seem
like a great Christmas treat to have the Doctor (or any other
extraordinary hero, undercover and out of place/era) finally get tired
of circumspection and being deferential and just come out with it
straight. I actually quite liked the moment and thought it was a nod
to the fans who were expecting some sort story and/or subtle method to
get the troupe following him; instead he literally rose to the
challenge and shut up the twit.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:01:23 +0000, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid>
wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:06 GMT, Stephen Wilson
><stephen.wilson2004nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> news:fktr4e$d57$17@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>
>>>
>>> IF RTD continues, well ...
>>
>> Well let's see. He took over in 2005. As at Christmas 2007 it is one of the
>> top rated programmes of the year. Let's hear where you think he's gone wrong
>> so far.
>
>He hasn't gone wrong at all if his aim is to produce a massively
>popular TV show that I happen not to like much.

I think he will happily take the former and not worry about the
latter. That is not a dig, I pretty much echo your views on the new
series.

>
>> And when he steps down, will you be happy if the programme fails?
>
>I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
>1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
>thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
>ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.

Quite right and I pretty much echo those sentiments. The biggest
benefit for me of the new series is the increased release rate of
classic DVD's. What was it this year, something like 17, we used to be
lucky to get 7 a year. I find the new series can sometimes be very
very good, such as HN/FOB and Blink, but when its bad its really
really awful.

In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:46:16 -0800 (PST), hulahoop
<sweeneyged@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 28, 7:01*pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> I'll be happy if the programme fails after all existing episodes from
>> 1963 to 1977 have been released on DVD with satisfactory funding
>> thanks to the new series' success. I certainly see no reason to be
>> ashamed of disliking later episodes just because I'm in a minority.
>
> I am struggling with this one a bit. Wouldn't you rather the
> programme didn't fail, or am I missing some obvious point here?

It would have been more accurate if I'd said that I don't care whether
it succeeds or fails, except insofar as it continues to attract new
viewers who may buy DVDs of the original series. Once my DVD
collection is complete, I'll no longer have a selfish reason for
hoping for high ratings and cultural penetration.

Oh, and its produced a moderately entertaining spin-off in Torchwood
and an unmissable one in the Sarah Jane Adventures, but they might now
survive on their own merits.

At present I'm not particularly interested in watching any more New
Who, which has become a kind of torture that I can't quite stop
inflicting on myself. Perhaps Series Four will be so good that I
change my mind; but I saw the trailer and thought "Surely these can't
be *highlights*?".

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