Just curious. I'm not commenting on later seasons as I'm only about
2/3 through S1 as yet, although I have seen a scattering of later
episodes out of order on TV. I strongly resisted even that, but a
friend of mine who's a major SG-1 fan insisted I give it a try. He
also pretty much chained me to a chair (kinky) and forced me to watch
quite a few episodes of SG-1 before realizing that I just wasn't into
it...screaming my safe word, in fact. I'm doing better with SGA.

It's not my favorite series ever, but I do find it entertaining which
is more than I ever thought about SG-1. I think this is because of
the large number of character roles and actors. The Beckett, McKay,
and Zelenka mad-scientist squad are not only good comic releif, but
seem to be the only people who are living lives on that station to any
degree at all...and even that's not much. I also liked the idea of
Dr. Weir and the conflict between her civilian mission and their
increasingly belligerant military "support," but she didn't get much
development, and I gather that she has now been replaced. The other
characters, like those in SG-1, strike me as pretty stock eye-candy.
Teyla (sp?) could be a good character role, but she's so far very
bland, and the macho ******* is at least quite cute and not entirely
impossible as an actor although he has really nothing much to work
with.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else has the same reaction and
if so, could you comment on why you think this is?

himiko

<himiko@animail.net> wrote in message
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> Just curious. I'm not commenting on later seasons as I'm only about
> 2/3 through S1 as yet, although I have seen a scattering of later
> episodes out of order on TV. I strongly resisted even that, but a
> friend of mine who's a major SG-1 fan insisted I give it a try. He
> also pretty much chained me to a chair (kinky) and forced me to watch
> quite a few episodes of SG-1 before realizing that I just wasn't into
> it...screaming my safe word, in fact. I'm doing better with SGA.
>
> It's not my favorite series ever, but I do find it entertaining which
> is more than I ever thought about SG-1. I think this is because of
> the large number of character roles and actors. The Beckett, McKay,
> and Zelenka mad-scientist squad are not only good comic releif, but
> seem to be the only people who are living lives on that station to any
> degree at all...and even that's not much. I also liked the idea of
> Dr. Weir and the conflict between her civilian mission and their
> increasingly belligerant military "support," but she didn't get much
> development, and I gather that she has now been replaced. The other
> characters, like those in SG-1, strike me as pretty stock eye-candy.
> Teyla (sp?) could be a good character role, but she's so far very
> bland, and the macho ******* is at least quite cute and not entirely
> impossible as an actor although he has really nothing much to work
> with.
>
> Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else has the same reaction and
> if so, could you comment on why you think this is?

My reaction is very similar in many respects. The exceptions all cluster
around a failure to give SG-1 proper credit.

SG-1 had episodes that were clearly exceptional, along with plenty of
turkeys. Those golden episodes won me over in a big way.

Of course, the only way to find the one's you'll like (and whether you will
even like them,) is to put in a LOT of hours re-watching the whole show.

I never had the feeling of "I want my ten years (of episodes) back!" But
going forward, if I could somehow have known what I know now, the decision
to watch the series in its entirety would be a close call, though still a
winner, I think.

Also, S4 of SGA is going poorly so far, relative to S1-S3. If this doesn't
stop, history - and me - will almost certainly judge SG-1 as the better
show.
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> Also, S4 of SGA is going poorly so far, relative to S1-S3. If this
> doesn't
> stop, history - and me - will almost certainly judge SG-1 as the better
> show.

Yes. SGA feels like it's running out of steam when in fact it should be
picking up steam.

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>
>> Also, S4 of SGA is going poorly so far, relative to S1-S3. If this
>> doesn't
>> stop, history - and me - will almost certainly judge SG-1 as the better
>> show.
>
> Yes. SGA feels like it's running out of steam when in fact it should be
> picking up steam.

True, and moreover, in the last years of SG-1, the show had no business
being any good at all.

Yet many episodes were solid. Fans who'd been with the show from day one
(or with it since the feature film, sort-of "day zero,) may have concluded
from their POV that the whole idea was getting tired.

Certainly they ain't all-wrong, but in later years, the series tried for a
good quality level rather than hitting home runs, and it worked. They went
from Babe Ruth to Pete Rose and succeeded.

I would call years 8-10 of SG-1, running in parallel with years 1-3 of SGA,
one of the best periods for the franchise, overall.
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On Dec 23, 2:21 pm, "Atlas Bugged" <atlasbuggedBYs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My reaction is very similar in many respects. The exceptions all cluster
> around a failure to give SG-1 proper credit.
>
> SG-1 had episodes that were clearly exceptional, along with plenty of
> turkeys. Those golden episodes won me over in a big way.
>
> Of course, the only way to find the one's you'll like (and whether you will
> even like them,) is to put in a LOT of hours re-watching the whole show.

Heh. Too true. But I doubt I'd do it just for good episodes, even a
lot of them. The trouble is, I think, that SG-1 takes itself, its
plots, its messages, and its characters so deadly seriously, that even
if an episode is well done from a plot standpoint, it doesn't work for
me. Kind of reminds me of ST:TOS what with all the uniforms,
heirarchies, and everyone in high heroic action mode all the time with
few hints of any other kind of life being lived. SG-1 people seem to
BE their jobs. There's a lot of that on SGA too, but there are at
least hints of previous lives, and since the whole point is that these
people agreed to leave that life, possibly forever, to do this job, it
would make sense that they BE their jobs at least at first. OTOH,
they should soon start living in the present again, since that station
now is their only world...I gather that changes, but I haven't got
that far. Even so, the science types, semi-autistics who could easily
be turned into total job=person types, are clearly doing private stuff
(dating, fantasizing about dating, cadging snacks, playing stupid
games), and there are occasional cameos for minor or one-time-only
characters that hint at lives being lived in the present on
Atlantis...and they don't necessarily wind up wearing red shirts.
There is also a lot more humor than in SG-1.

That's not a put-down for anyone who enjoys SG-1. I generally don't
like herioic space operas which is what SG-1 is. What I'm trying to
figure out is less why I don't like SG-1 and more why I do like SGA
which is also space opera...although with many characters and plots
that fall considerably short of heroic. That's probably the part I
like.

> Also, S4 of SGA is going poorly so far, relative to S1-S3. If this doesn't
> stop, history - and me - will almost certainly judge SG-1 as the better
> show.

Well, the more successful show anyway. Sadly, the stuff I'm seeing on
this board suggests that they're phasing out the civilian aspects (and
characters) that I most like. Probably trying for another success by
making it as much like the original as possible. Always a big
mistake, IMO, since the show thus changed never (in my experience)
lives up to the original, and loses its own integrity to boot..

himiko

Atlas Bugged: (__¤__)

On 2007-12-24 07:46:39 +1100, "himiko@animail.net" <himiko@animail.net> said:

> Just curious. I'm not commenting on later seasons as I'm only about
> 2/3 through S1 as yet, although I have seen a scattering of later
> episodes out of order on TV. I strongly resisted even that, but a
> friend of mine who's a major SG-1 fan insisted I give it a try. He
> also pretty much chained me to a chair (kinky) and forced me to watch
> quite a few episodes of SG-1 before realizing that I just wasn't into
> it...screaming my safe word, in fact. I'm doing better with SGA.
>
> It's not my favorite series ever, but I do find it entertaining which
> is more than I ever thought about SG-1. I think this is because of
> the large number of character roles and actors. The Beckett, McKay,
> and Zelenka mad-scientist squad are not only good comic releif, but
> seem to be the only people who are living lives on that station to any
> degree at all...and even that's not much. I also liked the idea of
> Dr. Weir and the conflict between her civilian mission and their
> increasingly belligerant military "support," but she didn't get much
> development, and I gather that she has now been replaced. The other
> characters, like those in SG-1, strike me as pretty stock eye-candy.
> Teyla (sp?) could be a good character role, but she's so far very
> bland, and the macho ******* is at least quite cute and not entirely
> impossible as an actor although he has really nothing much to work
> with.
>
> Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else has the same reaction and
> if so, could you comment on why you think this is?
>
> himiko

I totally understand how you feel - have enjoyed SGA but never liked SG1.
I'm furious that they polluted SGA by killing Weir and replacing her
with Carter who is absolutely pathetic in that role. The loss of
Carlson & now Weir has definitely weakened the cast.

On Dec 24, 2:22 pm, Trymee <trymeeREM...@THISgmail.com> wrote:

> I totally understand how you feel - have enjoyed SGA but never liked SG1.
> I'm furious that they polluted SGA by killing Weir and replacing her
> with Carter who is absolutely pathetic in that role. The loss of
> Carlson & now Weir has definitely weakened the cast.

I haven't seen the show without them yet, but I believe you. Makes me
wonder who's next. I fear it might be Zelenka who I adore. Rodney is
probably safe. I'm not sure there's clear evidence or enough evidence
to say there's a pattern, but I'm afraid they may be downplaying the
civilian side and replacing it with military types: Carter replacing
Weir, and the addition along the way of more military input from the
US. This also undercuts the international feel of the show which I
like and which they've never developed fully enough anyway. It's not
clear to me if the new doctor is a civilian or not; she clearly is
another American. I.E. getting more like SG-1. Sigh. Sounds more
and more like scripting done by suits.

himiko