On Dec 27, 3:15 pm, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:

> They did say that about Sylar. But then by that logic it was a
> writer's mistake for them to mention detecting the marker for
> telekinesis. He picked up that skill the same way as the others.

I was thinking it was a flub, and just got a flash as to how it could
work that way.

> Maybe it's because he used it often enough to actually alter his DNA?

Nightmare Man is an extension of Matt Parkman's powers. So what if
Sylar is an extension of telekinesis? Genetically, it could resemble
TK, but it could have more sinister consequences.

For one, we don't know what happens to the brains. Many have been
assuming that Sylar eats them, or studies them. But what if his TK
powers means that he can use TK to control the power from the brains?
Whether this means part of the brain could be kept, or that ingestion
ensures that the power is absorbed, I don't have an answer to, but it
would go a long way towards explaining why things are the way they are.

remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:15 pm, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> They did say that about Sylar. But then by that logic it was a
>> writer's mistake for them to mention detecting the marker for
>> telekinesis. He picked up that skill the same way as the others.
>
> I was thinking it was a flub, and just got a flash as to how it could
> work that way.
>

It is possible that the method Sylar used to obtain TK was different
than the way he obtained the other powers. After all, TK was his first
theft, and he has had time to develop and refine his method for stealing
powers since then.

--
JWH

On Dec 29, 1:03 am, remysun2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:15 pm, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > They did say that about Sylar. But then by that logic it was a
> > writer's mistake for them to mention detecting the marker for
> > telekinesis. He picked up that skill the same way as the others.
>
> I was thinking it was a flub, and just got a flash as to how it could
> work that way.
>
> > Maybe it's because he used it often enough to actually alter his DNA?
>
> Nightmare Man is an extension of Matt Parkman's powers. So what if
> Sylar is an extension of telekinesis? Genetically, it could resemble
> TK, but it could have more sinister consequences.
>
> For one, we don't know what happens to the brains. Many have been
> assuming that Sylar eats them, or studies them. But what if his TK
> powers means that he can use TK to control the power from the brains?
> Whether this means part of the brain could be kept, or that ingestion
> ensures that the power is absorbed, I don't have an answer to, but it
> would go a long way towards explaining why things are the way they are.

Forgive me for not remembering but was this stated before it was
established that Sylar got his TK powers from somebody else? The
writers may have been thinking that TK was one of his innate powers at
that point. Nowadays he uses TK to open people's brains. Presumably
the first time he did it, he cut open the person's head using a
knife. Or did he? We obviously never saw that.

Martin

Martin Phipps wrote:
> On Dec 29, 1:03 am, remysun2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 3:15 pm, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They did say that about Sylar. But then by that logic it was a
>>> writer's mistake for them to mention detecting the marker for
>>> telekinesis. He picked up that skill the same way as the others.
>> I was thinking it was a flub, and just got a flash as to how it could
>> work that way.
>>
>>> Maybe it's because he used it often enough to actually alter his DNA?
>> Nightmare Man is an extension of Matt Parkman's powers. So what if
>> Sylar is an extension of telekinesis? Genetically, it could resemble
>> TK, but it could have more sinister consequences.
>>
>> For one, we don't know what happens to the brains. Many have been
>> assuming that Sylar eats them, or studies them. But what if his TK
>> powers means that he can use TK to control the power from the brains?
>> Whether this means part of the brain could be kept, or that ingestion
>> ensures that the power is absorbed, I don't have an answer to, but it
>> would go a long way towards explaining why things are the way they are.
>
> Forgive me for not remembering but was this stated before it was
> established that Sylar got his TK powers from somebody else? The
> writers may have been thinking that TK was one of his innate powers at
> that point. Nowadays he uses TK to open people's brains. Presumably
> the first time he did it, he cut open the person's head using a
> knife. Or did he? We obviously never saw that.

In episode 1.09, "Homecoming", Sylar was captured by Eden and The
Haitian. In episode 1.10, "Six Months Ago", we learn that Sylar killed
Brian Davis and stole the TK ability. All we know is that Sylar hit
Brian with a paperweight, smashing his skull. As Sylar moved toward
Brian's body, the scene cut away.

Episode 1.11, "Fallout", picks up where 1.09 ended, with Sylar in the
cell in Primatech. Finally, in Episode 1.12, "Hank" the doctor tells HRG
that they could only find the codon for TK in Sylar's genetic code.

--
JWH

On Dec 28, 9:24 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Martin Phipps wrote:

> > Forgive me for not remembering but was this stated before it was
> > established that Sylar got his TK powers from somebody else?  The
> > writers may have been thinking that TK was one of his innate powers at
> > that point.  Nowadays he uses TK to open people's brains.  Presumably
> > the first time he did it, he cut open the person's head using a
> > knife.  Or did he?  We obviously never saw that.

> In episode 1.09, "Homecoming", Sylar was captured by Eden and The
> Haitian. In episode 1.10, "Six Months Ago", we learn that Sylar killed
> Brian Davis and stole the TK ability. All we know is that Sylar hit
> Brian with a paperweight, smashing his skull. As Sylar moved toward
> Brian's body, the scene cut away.

> Episode 1.11, "Fallout", picks up where 1.09 ended, with Sylar in the
> cell in Primatech. Finally, in Episode 1.12, "Hank" the doctor tells HRG
> that they could only find the codon for TK in Sylar's genetic code.

Thanks for the recap. We have never seen the process. We know Sylar
has the TK marker. So I'm theorizing that Sylar's manifestation of TK
is the manipulation of the power areas of other brains. If this is
true, it would explain why Sylar has to do what he does to gain his
abilities. Genetically, it is TK, the ramifications is that his TK can
manipulate other brains to use their powers.

This would also explain why he didn't manifest TK until after he
became a serial killer. Sylar's brain had nothing to manipulate until
that point. This means that TK as Sylar's first manifested ability is
coincidence, although not so much because he used Chandra's research
to acquire his first victim. If Chandra was organizing by genetic
markers, this would all bear out.

Further evidence is given by Eden and the Parkmans. The abilities
could be similar, but taken to degrees of extremity. As an inverse,
should someone manifest levitation, but not flight (having no ability
for lift and gaining altitude), they could still at least be the live
action equivalent of a Wile E. Coyote cartoon, walking into thin air.
They could be like Spider-Man, finding it very easy to scale things,
having no ability to fall, or need to generate a normal. The
manifestation would be different, but the power is basically the same.

On Dec 29, 12:52 pm, remysun2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 28, 9:24 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> > > Forgive me for not remembering but was this stated before it was
> > > established that Sylar got his TK powers from somebody else?  The
> > > writers may have been thinking that TK was one of his innate powers at
> > > that point.  Nowadays he uses TK to open people's brains.  Presumably
> > > the first time he did it, he cut open the person's head using a
> > > knife.  Or did he?  We obviously never saw that.
> > In episode 1.09, "Homecoming", Sylar was captured by Eden and The
> > Haitian. In episode 1.10, "Six Months Ago", we learn that Sylar killed
> > Brian Davis and stole the TK ability. All we know is that Sylar hit
> > Brian with a paperweight, smashing his skull. As Sylar moved toward
> > Brian's body, the scene cut away.
> > Episode 1.11, "Fallout", picks up where 1.09 ended, with Sylar in the
> > cell in Primatech. Finally, in Episode 1.12, "Hank" the doctor tells HRG
> > that they could only find the codon for TK in Sylar's genetic code.
>
> Thanks for the recap. We have never seen the process. We know Sylar
> has the TK marker. So I'm theorizing that Sylar's manifestation of TK
> is the manipulation of the power areas of other brains. If this is
> true, it would explain why Sylar has to do what he does to gain his
> abilities. Genetically, it is TK, the ramifications is that his TK can
> manipulate other brains to use their powers.
>
> This would also explain why he didn't manifest TK until after he
> became a serial killer. Sylar's brain had nothing to manipulate until
> that point. This means that TK as Sylar's first manifested ability is
> coincidence, although not so much because he used Chandra's research
> to acquire his first victim. If Chandra was organizing by genetic
> markers, this would all bear out.
>
> Further evidence is given by Eden and the Parkmans. The abilities
> could be similar, but taken to degrees of extremity. As an inverse,
> should someone manifest levitation, but not flight (having no ability
> for lift and gaining altitude), they could still at least be the live
> action equivalent of a Wile E. Coyote cartoon, walking into thin air.
> They could be like Spider-Man, finding it very easy to scale things,
> having no ability to fall, or need to generate a normal. The
> manifestation would be different, but the power is basically the same.

Of course, by the same token, flight itself is telekenesis, the
ability to move something (in this case yourself) with your mind.

There's one explanation: Sylar has the "genetic marker" for
telekinesis but that in itself doesn't determine what power he has.
Note that Nikki had superstrength and DL could pass through walls but
Micah has control over electronic devices. Nathan can fly and his
brother is an empath and Claire's mother in pyrokinetic but Claire has
healing ability. Genetics seems to determine whether or not you have
powers but it obviously doesn't determine what powers you have.

Martin

In article <guidnbRq1uMPM-janZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
jewahe <j.hanvey@comcast.net> wrote:

> In episode 1.10, "Six Months Ago", we learn that Sylar killed Brian
> Davis and stole the TK ability. All we know is that Sylar hit Brian
> with a paperweight, smashing his skull. As Sylar moved toward Brian's
> body, the scene cut away.

But I recall his saying, "Let's see how this thing works," or something
very similar.

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On Dec 29, 12:23 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Of course, by the same token, flight itself is telekenesis, the
> ability to move something (in this case yourself) with your mind.

How does the egocentric change a lightbulb?

He holds it up and lets the world revolve around him.

> There's one explanation: Sylar has the "genetic marker" for
> telekinesis but that in itself doesn't determine what power he has.

> Genetics seems to determine whether or not you have
> powers but it obviously doesn't determine what powers you have.

Except that these are mutations were talking about, which might not be
transferrable genetically. There could be a stem cell marker, common
to all, that triggers a unique mutation later in development.
Otherwise, shouldn't offspring actually be a blend of both parents'
powers, since outside genetic material can't be introduced?

That reminds me, there are no adolescent powered siblings on the show.
Every child of a powered relationship is an only child. Peter &
Nathan, Maya & Alejandro, Hiro has a sister (who may not be powered),
but they are all grown ups, and we are unsure of their parents' powers.

On Dec 29, 3:17 pm, remysun2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 29, 12:23 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Of course, by the same token, flight itself is telekenesis, the
> > ability to move something (in this case yourself) with your mind.
>
> How does the egocentric change a lightbulb?
>
> He holds it up and lets the world revolve around him.
>
> > There's one explanation: Sylar has the "genetic marker" for
> > telekinesis but that in itself doesn't determine what power he has.
> > Genetics seems to determine whether or not you have
> > powers but it obviously doesn't determine what powers you have.
>
> Except that these are mutations were talking about, which might not be
> transferrable genetically. There could be a stem cell marker, common
> to all, that triggers a unique mutation later in development.
> Otherwise, shouldn't offspring actually be a blend of both parents'
> powers, since outside genetic material can't be introduced?

What would have been cool (although obviously that's not the way they
went) is if instead of having a virus that took powers away there was
a virus that gave people powers. It's such a groaner when people meet
each other and we find out they both have powers. (Nathan and
Claire's mom, Nikki and DL, Hiro and Adam, Peter and Isaac, Maya and
Sylar, etc.) An in story explanation for the way people-with-powers
seem to be drawn together would have been nice.

Martin

In article
<45272906-8b6b-4379-95ed-098ef398391c@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:

> That reminds me, there are no adolescent powered siblings on the
> show.

So far as I can recall, there are no adolescent siblings at all on the
show.

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remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 28, 9:24 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Martin Phipps wrote:
>
>>> Forgive me for not remembering but was this stated before it was
>>> established that Sylar got his TK powers from somebody else? The
>>> writers may have been thinking that TK was one of his innate powers at
>>> that point. Nowadays he uses TK to open people's brains. Presumably
>>> the first time he did it, he cut open the person's head using a
>>> knife. Or did he? We obviously never saw that.
>
>> In episode 1.09, "Homecoming", Sylar was captured by Eden and The
>> Haitian. In episode 1.10, "Six Months Ago", we learn that Sylar killed
>> Brian Davis and stole the TK ability. All we know is that Sylar hit
>> Brian with a paperweight, smashing his skull. As Sylar moved toward
>> Brian's body, the scene cut away.
>
>> Episode 1.11, "Fallout", picks up where 1.09 ended, with Sylar in the
>> cell in Primatech. Finally, in Episode 1.12, "Hank" the doctor tells HRG
>> that they could only find the codon for TK in Sylar's genetic code.
>
> Thanks for the recap. We have never seen the process. We know Sylar
> has the TK marker. So I'm theorizing that Sylar's manifestation of TK
> is the manipulation of the power areas of other brains. If this is
> true, it would explain why Sylar has to do what he does to gain his
> abilities. Genetically, it is TK, the ramifications is that his TK can
> manipulate other brains to use their powers.
>
> This would also explain why he didn't manifest TK until after he
> became a serial killer.

Sylar manifested TK because he killed Brian Davis and stole Davis'
ability. It is not a "native" ability.

Sylar's native power is, as he repeated several times throughout season
1, the ability to see how things "tick". Most people label this power
"Intuitive Understanding".

This ability is so subtle that no one recognized it as a mutation in and
of itself. Chandra certainly missed it, despite the fact that Sylar
demonstrated it as soon as the professor entered his shop (he knew that
Chandra's watch was broken just by looking at it). I also think the
ability has been overlooked by The Company, and the codon for the
ability has never been documented. I'm not sure that HRG even recognized
the significance of the "I see what makes things tick" statements.

It's ironic, because Sylar wants to be so special; yet he may have a
shiny new, unique ability.

--
JWH

On Dec 29, 5:52 am, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Sylar manifested TK because he killed Brian Davis and stole Davis'
> ability. It is not a "native" ability.

Of course, but the TK theory is to explain how he acquires abilities
with the TK marker that was found in his codon. I certainly don't
think the writers are stupid enough to let this contradict itself.
It's payoff would be if Sylar's powers could be destroyed by
destroying his trophy objects, proving a TK link.

> This ability is so subtle that no one recognized it as a mutation in and
> of itself. Chandra certainly missed it, despite the fact that Sylar
> demonstrated it as soon as the professor entered his shop (he knew that
> Chandra's watch was broken just by looking at it).

That is a good point, although anybody could see that if the second
hand doesn't move in a few seconds, or there's no ticking. You'd think
a watchmaker could know that.

> ability has been overlooked by The Company, and the codon for the
> ability has never been documented.

This same company that's pretty much bagged and tagged everyone else
and yet as you said, found only the TK marker in Sylar? This company
that never misses a beat on how dangerous some of these people can be?
I think they know what they're up against, and are scared that they
can't stop it.

On Dec 29, 2:38 am, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:

>  remysun2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > That reminds me, there are no adolescent powered siblings on the
> > show.
>
> So far as I can recall, there are no adolescent siblings at all on the
> show.

I was thinking about Micah's cousins, thereby qualifying my statement,
because the other guy seems unpowered and dumb as an ox.

x-no-archive: yes On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:45:08 -0800 (PST),
remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Dec 29, 5:52 am, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Sylar manifested TK because he killed Brian Davis and stole Davis'
>> ability. It is not a "native" ability.
>
>Of course, but the TK theory is to explain how he acquires abilities
>with the TK marker that was found in his codon. I certainly don't
>think the writers are stupid enough to let this contradict itself.
>It's payoff would be if Sylar's powers could be destroyed by
>destroying his trophy objects, proving a TK link.
>
>> This ability is so subtle that no one recognized it as a mutation in and
>> of itself. Chandra certainly missed it, despite the fact that Sylar
>> demonstrated it as soon as the professor entered his shop (he knew that
>> Chandra's watch was broken just by looking at it).
>
>That is a good point, although anybody could see that if the second
>hand doesn't move in a few seconds, or there's no ticking. You'd think
>a watchmaker could know that.

No, he noticed that the coil in Chandra's watch had become loose and
his watch was running "two seconds slow", not that it wasn't working
at all.

Then again, that the watch was running "two seconds slow" didn't make
much sense either...

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On Dec 29, 8:21 am, mªdcªt <ab...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> >That is a good point, although anybody could see that if the second
> >hand doesn't move in a few seconds, or there's no ticking. You'd think
> >a watchmaker could know that.

> No, he noticed that the coil in Chandra's watch had become loose and
> his watch was running "two seconds slow", not that it wasn't working
> at all.

That's what I thought it was, much better. That's the sign of a good
watchmaker. Perhaps with his survival, Sylar should be renamed Timex--
takes a licking, keeps on ticking.

remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 29, 5:52 am, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Sylar manifested TK because he killed Brian Davis and stole Davis'
>> ability. It is not a "native" ability.
>
> Of course, but the TK theory is to explain how he acquires abilities
> with the TK marker that was found in his codon. I certainly don't
> think the writers are stupid enough to let this contradict itself.
> It's payoff would be if Sylar's powers could be destroyed by
> destroying his trophy objects, proving a TK link.

The easiest explanation is that he has the TK marker because he absorbed
TK differently than the other stolen abilities.

>
>> This ability is so subtle that no one recognized it as a mutation in and
>> of itself. Chandra certainly missed it, despite the fact that Sylar
>> demonstrated it as soon as the professor entered his shop (he knew that
>> Chandra's watch was broken just by looking at it).
>
> That is a good point, although anybody could see that if the second
> hand doesn't move in a few seconds, or there's no ticking. You'd think
> a watchmaker could know that.
>
>> ability has been overlooked by The Company, and the codon for the
>> ability has never been documented.
>
> This same company that's pretty much bagged and tagged everyone else
> and yet as you said, found only the TK marker in Sylar? This company
> that never misses a beat on how dangerous some of these people can be?
> I think they know what they're up against, and are scared that they
> can't stop it.

The Company is not omniscient or omnipotent. They make mistakes. They
also are very tunnel-visioned, having a hard time thinking outside the
box. HRG is unique, because he is imaginative and resourceful, and that
allows him to frequently get the drop on other Company agents.

--
JWH

On Dec 29, 8:21 am, mªdcªt <ab...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >> Sylar manifested TK because he killed Brian Davis and stole Davis'
> >> ability. It is not a "native" ability.
>
> >Of course, but the TK theory is to explain how he acquires abilities
> >with the TK marker that was found in his codon. I certainly don't
> >think the writers are stupid enough to let this contradict itself.
> >It's payoff would be if Sylar's powers could be destroyed by
> >destroying his trophy objects, proving a TK link.
>
> >> This ability is so subtle that no one recognized it as a mutation in and
> >> of itself. Chandra certainly missed it, despite the fact that Sylar
> >> demonstrated it as soon as the professor entered his shop (he knew that
> >> Chandra's watch was broken just by looking at it).
>
> >That is a good point, although anybody could see that if the second
> >hand doesn't move in a few seconds, or there's no ticking. You'd think
> >a watchmaker could know that.
>
> No, he noticed that the coil in Chandra's watch had become loose and
> his watch was running "two seconds slow", not that it wasn't working
> at all.
>
> Then again, that the watch was running "two seconds slow" didn't make
> much sense either...

I took it to mean "2 seconds out of XX time period". Perhaps a
watchmaker could better tell us, but I thought of it as a "technical
term". I would suspect it means the watch falls behind 2 seconds every
day or hour.

-Aaron

In article <x6SdndNVv6w98evanZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
jewahe <j.hanvey@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> >> ability has been overlooked by The Company, and the codon for the
> >> ability has never been documented.
> >
> > This same company that's pretty much bagged and tagged everyone else
> > and yet as you said, found only the TK marker in Sylar? This company
> > that never misses a beat on how dangerous some of these people can be?
> > I think they know what they're up against, and are scared that they
> > can't stop it.
>
> The Company is not omniscient or omnipotent. They make mistakes. They
> also are very tunnel-visioned, having a hard time thinking outside the
> box. HRG is unique, because he is imaginative and resourceful, and that
> allows him to frequently get the drop on other Company agents.

OTOH, I think the writers just goofed when writing that line of dialog
and as obsessed viewers we're paying waaaay too much attention.

dick
-- but I might be wrong.

In article
<4e2606dc-326f-43db-9205-dae86fd4904a@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > That reminds me, there are no adolescent powered siblings on the
> > > show.
> >
> > So far as I can recall, there are no adolescent siblings at all on
> > the show.
>
> I was thinking about Micah's cousins,

But aren't they cousins to each other, not brother and sister?

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Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article
> <4e2606dc-326f-43db-9205-dae86fd4904a@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> remysun2000@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>> That reminds me, there are no adolescent powered siblings on the
>>>> show.
>>> So far as I can recall, there are no adolescent siblings at all on
>>> the show.
>> I was thinking about Micah's cousins,
>
> But aren't they cousins to each other, not brother and sister?

I thought they were brother and sister. They talked about `mom' as their
own.

In article <4776ca7d$0$47119$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreene ws.net>,
suzee <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

> >> I was thinking about Micah's cousins,
> >
> > But aren't they cousins to each other, not brother and sister?
>
> I thought they were brother and sister. They talked about `mom' as
> their own.

You're right; I was wrong.

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