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Tina Hall
01-01-2008, 02:08 PM
ShellyS is kindly reading the Seasons & Elements trilogy, giving
comments on all sorts of things to help me improve the text. Right now
there's a problem; she would like a word to describe a certain attribute
of people, and I don't have a word for it.

The issue is the scent of the people. Unfitting would be any kind of
real smell or taste, it has to be an attribute, what they are, condensed
into one word.

The scent itself comes from the magic, and isn't necessarily taken up by
noses at all, the sense these people give (and in part leave behind) is
just called that. (They don't sweat, btw.)

To me (and the characters), Breeders smell like Breeders, Warriors smell
like Warriors, Drones smell like Drones, Lords smell like Lords, Priests
smell like Priests, and Shamans smell like Shamans. (We can ignore
Shamans for now; the issue is more complicated as they've got both
Priest and Breeder magic.)

To describe the different castes/genders:

Each family (in most tribes) consists of one or two Breeders, one or two
males, one to three Warriors, and one or two Drones (proportions
depending on tribe). In some the Breeders live by themselves, while the
others still do the same 'jobs' as listed here, just the males not
living with them, and there's one tribe which is nomadic, and thus no
farming but a lot of hunting. There's another exception where the
household is much larger, and the people busy themselves with other
things because not much farming needs to be done. But the basic purpose
remains the same with all.

Female:

Breeders' magic is focussed on reproduction, growing children. Breeders
are the true strength, the ones that are necessary to continue each
tribe. They're respected, and protected, left free to take care of what
really matters (growing and raising children). Their scent is much
stronger than the others'.

Male:

Lords rule. Their own family, and some Lords also tend broader matters,
of a number of families or even villages (you could see that as some
kind of council exchanging news on what needs to be done), and one leads
the whole tribe (taking care of matters that concern the whole tribe).
Mainly they look after their family, though, and tend the farm with the
occasional hunting, cooking, and cleaning... They're there to turn to if
any bigger decisions are to be made; the authority in the house
(village/tribe).

Priests heal, give councel, teach, work magic on the land to help it
grow things, and also look after their own family.

Males' scent is still strong, but by far not as much as the Breeders'.
(From the Magic PoV, they still do something to produce offspring;
fathering the children.)

Neutral:

Warriors hunt and fight. Since there's little hunting and fighting to be
done in most tribes, they help out at the farms with whatever needs to
be done. (They're just not very good at most of the tasks.)

Drones cook, farm, clean up, build tools. They're really good at these
things.

Neutrals' scent is faint, due to not being able to reproduce at all.

So how do I give each a word that describes their scent? Something
that's in character with these people?

If you can think of something (no matter how far-fetched - not being an
ordinary sense is quite in character), please say so.

For some rambling on about history and origin of the different castes...
There used to be only Breeders and Lords. Lords, in the ancient wild
times, didn't like other Lords at all (because they could want their
Breeders), so they (the magic) evolved Warriors; people that have the
same ability to defend the Breedes without being a threat when it comes
to finding a mate. (The need to defend the females was much greater in
the ancient wild times; not only the people were wilder, the landscape
was more dangerous, too.)

The people and the landscape calmed down, started building houses and
begun farming, and the Drone caste emerged from the Warrior caste, first
just a few still-mostly-Warriors that were more talented at these
things, of course.

Later came the Priests, gruadually, also because of the need for their
skills to tend land and people in a broader matter.

(Yes, there's no evolution like we have here; it's all the magic,
mindless as it is, steering the process. The most obvious thing in that
is that it won't spark heat in a Breeder when conditions aren't
favourable. Whether that's a Lord that turns aggression towards her
rather than outside threats, or the environment isn't suitable. The
consequence is that the males all respect females and only react hostile
to outside threats - or in some cases other males that could want their
Breeder. <g>)

--
Tina
Reading: Seasons&Elements 1, Controlled by Magic: 196613 words, at 32.38%
WISuspension: Magic Earth series
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Brenda Clough
01-01-2008, 04:31 PM
Tina Hall wrote:
> If you can think of something (no matter how far-fetched - not being an
> ordinary sense is quite in character), please say so.
>
>



I suggest finding a relatively simple word and repurposing it;
this happens in English on a daily basis and would save you much
aggravation. 'Aspect' is rather overused these days. You
probably would not like 'aura', with its annoying New Agey
implications. How about air? glow? way? (As in, she's got a
way about her) Exudation? tone? (if you use tone, never have
them be toned!) Even something like music would be interesting.
'With rings on her fingers and bells on her toes, she will
have music wherever she goes.'

Brenda


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Bill Swears
01-01-2008, 04:32 PM
Tina Hall wrote:
> ShellyS is kindly reading the Seasons & Elements trilogy, giving
> comments on all sorts of things to help me improve the text. Right now
> there's a problem; she would like a word to describe a certain attribute
> of people, and I don't have a word for it.
>
> The issue is the scent of the people. Unfitting would be any kind of
> real smell or taste, it has to be an attribute, what they are, condensed
> into one word.
>
> The scent itself comes from the magic, and isn't necessarily taken up by
> noses at all, the sense these people give (and in part leave behind) is
> just called that. (They don't sweat, btw.)
>

Aura?

bill

Marilee J. Layman
01-02-2008, 01:01 AM
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:32:27 -0900, Bill Swears <wswears@gci.net>
wrote:

>Tina Hall wrote:
>> ShellyS is kindly reading the Seasons & Elements trilogy, giving
>> comments on all sorts of things to help me improve the text. Right now
>> there's a problem; she would like a word to describe a certain attribute
>> of people, and I don't have a word for it.
>>
>> The issue is the scent of the people. Unfitting would be any kind of
>> real smell or taste, it has to be an attribute, what they are, condensed
>> into one word.
>>
>> The scent itself comes from the magic, and isn't necessarily taken up by
>> noses at all, the sense these people give (and in part leave behind) is
>> just called that. (They don't sweat, btw.)
>>
>
>Aura?

Presence
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com

ShellyS
01-02-2008, 01:31 PM
On Jan 2, 1:01 am, Marilee J. Layman <mari...@mjlayman.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:32:27 -0900, Bill Swears <wswe...@gci.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Tina Hall wrote:
> >> ShellyS is kindly reading the Seasons & Elements trilogy, giving
> >> comments on all sorts of things to help me improve the text. Right now
> >> there's a problem; she would like a word to describe a certain attribute
> >> of people, and I don't have a word for it.
>
> >> The issue is the scent of the people. Unfitting would be any kind of
> >> real smell or taste, it has to be an attribute, what they are, condensed
> >> into one word.
>
> >> The scent itself comes from the magic, and isn't necessarily taken up by
> >> noses at all, the sense these people give (and in part leave behind) is
> >> just called that. (They don't sweat, btw.)
>
> >Aura?
>
> Presence

I like that. It isn't so much as needing a word, although I think it
would make it clearer that it isn't an actual smell in human terms, as
some sort of detail or description as to what the scent or aspect is
like compared to others. But I think if a word like presence is used,
it removes the normal sense organ (nose) from the equation and then, a
warrior having a warrior's presence might work better.

-- Shelly

Dorothy J Heydt
01-02-2008, 01:51 PM
In article <8d7f4453-3022-4703-ba25-e53ae13c1624@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
ShellyS <shelly.s@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 1:01 am, Marilee J. Layman <mari...@mjlayman.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:32:27 -0900, Bill Swears <wswe...@gci.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Tina Hall wrote:
>> >> ShellyS is kindly reading the Seasons & Elements trilogy, giving
>> >> comments on all sorts of things to help me improve the text. Right now
>> >> there's a problem; she would like a word to describe a certain attribute
>> >> of people, and I don't have a word for it.
>>
>> >> The issue is the scent of the people. Unfitting would be any kind of
>> >> real smell or taste, it has to be an attribute, what they are, condensed
>> >> into one word.
>>
>> >> The scent itself comes from the magic, and isn't necessarily taken up by
>> >> noses at all, the sense these people give (and in part leave behind) is
>> >> just called that. (They don't sweat, btw.)
>>
>> >Aura?
>>
>> Presence
>
>I like that. It isn't so much as needing a word, although I think it
>would make it clearer that it isn't an actual smell in human terms, as
>some sort of detail or description as to what the scent or aspect is
>like compared to others. But I think if a word like presence is used,
>it removes the normal sense organ (nose) from the equation and then, a
>warrior having a warrior's presence might work better.

Unless the reader assumes it's all body language, which maybe
isn't too bad an assumption.

I don't think this would work, but telegraphers used to be able
to identify their colleagues' transmissions by subtleties in the
rhythm of their coding (I guess; there wasn't much else that
could be included over a wire), and this was called the person's
"fist."

"Hand" or "eye" might possibly work, if used with verbs that made
it clear sight wasn't involved. "I felt the hand of ..." or "I
heard the eye of ..." or something.

Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djheydt@kithrup.com

Tina Hall
01-02-2008, 04:13 PM
ShellyS <shelly.s@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like that. It isn't so much as needing a word, although I think it
> would make it clearer that it isn't an actual smell in human terms,
> as some sort of detail or description as to what the scent or aspect
> is like compared to others.

But it's treated like a scent, and to them it is (never mind the
execution).

Just like Night people don't need light hitting their eyes to
'see'. (Spring people, too, but they can sense their
surroundings, even at a distance, rather than seeing them.)

I'd actually like to expand on that, but my backbrain didn't
provide anything for the other senses yet. What else is there,
touch, hearing, and what? (Smell and taste is pretty much the
same, I think.)

The difficulty (for me, or rather my backbrain) is that I'm
visual. I can see the scent and of course what's visible. I
don't see sounds or touch. But thinking about it they would have
to be the same again; sound is something touching the ear, too,
after all; it needs personal contact rather than being somewhere
to look at or hanging in the air.

> But I think if a word like presence is used, it removes the
> normal sense organ (nose) from the equation and then, a
> warrior having a warrior's presence might work better.

Presense does actually turn up later in respect to some people's
personality. But that's something only noticed upon first
meeting, not with people they're used to. (It's not quite the
same as their scent, only something that's part of an
individual's scent, not the caste-specific thing. Like, you
could smell of woman just like every woman, but something
special has you identifiable as ShellyS.)

--
Tina
Reading: Seasons&Elements 1, Controlled by Magic: 196613 words, at 32.38%
WISuspension: Magic Earth series
Posted to Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.sf.composition.