Thought this article was kinda interesting...

.... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of the
questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v fan appeal,
canon, publicity photos and more...
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-more/

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Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Kweeg wrote:
> Thought this article was kinda interesting...
>
> ... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of the
> questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v fan appeal,
> canon, publicity photos and more...
> http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-more/
>

Great link, thank you.

Kweeg wrote:
> Thought this article was kinda interesting...
>
> ... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of the
> questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v fan appeal,
> canon, publicity photos and more...
> http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-more/

I liked this quote:

"Trek belongs to all of us. I see canon much like the constitution. It
is living document, but it has some principles that are inviolable."

Does that mean ENT was unconstitutional?
Maybe we could take the case to the Supreme Court.


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Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13qn5vlkvc82j24@corp.supernews.com...
> Kweeg wrote:
> > Thought this article was kinda interesting...
> >
> > ... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of the
> > questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v fan appeal,
> > canon, publicity photos and more...
> >
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-more/
>
> I liked this quote:
>
> "Trek belongs to all of us. I see canon much like the constitution. It
> is living document, but it has some principles that are inviolable."

Indeed. Then again any changes to our constitution that a particular
province (coughQuebeccough) doesn't like, they just invoke the
"notwithstanding clause," it's how they get away with their legislated
racism.


> Does that mean ENT was unconstitutional?
> Maybe we could take the case to the Supreme Court.

I have yet to be convinced by anyone that Ent "violated canon" any more than
any of the rest of the series did. At least Ent had one good season unlike
any of Voyager.
Most of the drooling fanboi types it seems get FANon confused with canon.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Kweeg wrote:
> "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13qn5vlkvc82j24@corp.supernews.com...
>> Kweeg wrote:
>>> Thought this article was kinda interesting...
>>>
>>> ... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of
>>> the questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v
>>> fan appeal, canon, publicity photos and more...
>>>
>
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-
more/
>>
>> I liked this quote:
>>
>> "Trek belongs to all of us. I see canon much like the constitution.
>> It is living document, but it has some principles that are
>> inviolable."
>
> Indeed. Then again any changes to our constitution that a particular
> province (coughQuebeccough) doesn't like, they just invoke the
> "notwithstanding clause," it's how they get away with their legislated
> racism.
>
>
>> Does that mean ENT was unconstitutional?
>> Maybe we could take the case to the Supreme Court.
>
> I have yet to be convinced by anyone that Ent "violated canon" any
> more than any of the rest of the series did. At least Ent had one
> good season unlike any of Voyager.
> Most of the drooling fanboi types it seems get FANon confused with
> canon.

I think Enterprise obeyed the letter of the canon but violated the spirit of
it. For instance, I don't believe that the primitive spaceships described by
Spock in Balance Of Terror was meant to mean Romulan ships with
holoprojectors run by remote control zombie elves.


Ian

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sci-fi comics with shagging in

Jaxtraw wrote:

> I think Enterprise obeyed the letter of the canon but violated the spirit of
> it. For instance, I don't believe that the primitive spaceships described by
> Spock in Balance Of Terror was meant to mean Romulan ships with
> holoprojectors run by remote control zombie elves.
>

Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
cope with the smell of humans?

"Jaxtraw" <jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
news:47aba97e$0$21087$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Kweeg wrote:
> > "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:13qn5vlkvc82j24@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Kweeg wrote:
> >>> Thought this article was kinda interesting...
> >>>
> >>> ... Roberto Orci dropped in to TrekMovie.com and answered many of
> >>> the questions and took some more. Orci talked about mainstream v
> >>> fan appeal, canon, publicity photos and more...
> >>>
> >
>
http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/06/orci-chats-with-fans-on-canon-marketing-and-
> more/
> >>
> >> I liked this quote:
> >>
> >> "Trek belongs to all of us. I see canon much like the constitution.
> >> It is living document, but it has some principles that are
> >> inviolable."
> >
> > Indeed. Then again any changes to our constitution that a particular
> > province (coughQuebeccough) doesn't like, they just invoke the
> > "notwithstanding clause," it's how they get away with their legislated
> > racism.
> >
> >
> >> Does that mean ENT was unconstitutional?
> >> Maybe we could take the case to the Supreme Court.
> >
> > I have yet to be convinced by anyone that Ent "violated canon" any
> > more than any of the rest of the series did. At least Ent had one
> > good season unlike any of Voyager.
> > Most of the drooling fanboi types it seems get FANon confused with
> > canon.
>
> I think Enterprise obeyed the letter of the canon but violated the spirit
of
> it. For instance, I don't believe that the primitive spaceships described
by
> Spock in Balance Of Terror was meant to mean Romulan ships with
> holoprojectors run by remote control zombie elves.

Perhaps.
But like the speed of the ST ships, technology is directly relevant to the
needs of the plot.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

"Jaxtraw" <jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote
> I think Enterprise obeyed the letter of the canon but violated the
> spirit of
> it. For instance, I don't believe that the primitive spaceships
> described by
> Spock in Balance Of Terror was meant to mean Romulan ships with
> holoprojectors run by remote control zombie elves.

ENT presented a series of "past historical events" that
are, for obvious reasons, totally unreferenced in any
other Trek (with the possible exception of the gratuitous
Riker/Troi appearance in the series finale). Since we
all know that in the real world history is often totally
forgotten, mis-remembered, twisted or flat-out falsified,
it's easy enough to conclude that 100 years later Archer
and his missions have been relegated to the same
obscurity that todays high school students attach to
the Crusades or the Crimean wars, and that the tech
designs of his time have gone the way of the Babylonian
calendar, especially for isolated races like the Romulans
whose civilizations may experience frequent upheavals.

GeneK

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:26 -0500, ToolPackinMama <philnblanc@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
>mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
>cope with the smell of humans?

Those aren't violations of canon. More like extensions of canon.

"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
news:ckdpq3dcmvl6iesljd8d8l6nlbd3dns8iu@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:26 -0500, ToolPackinMama
<philnblanc@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
> >mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
> >cope with the smell of humans?
>
> Those aren't violations of canon. More like extensions of canon.

Don't ask TPM to apply logic and don't ask her to prove where it was stated
on screen that mind melds DIDN'T spread a disease or Vulcans found the smell
of humans unpleasant.... it will be in the same place where she found
categorical "proof" that Spock and Kirk were lovers.... in her own deluded
mind, and ya can't argue with that "reasoning."

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

"ToolPackinMama" <philnblanc@comcast.net> wrote...
> Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
> mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
> cope with the smell of humans?

These things don't contradict anything that has been
previously said or depicted in Trek. They may violate
common sense and insult the intelligence of the viewer,
but they aren't violations of any established Trek canon.

GeneK

In article <Ll3rj.1053$lU5.546@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio. net>,
"GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:

> "ToolPackinMama" <philnblanc@comcast.net> wrote...
> > Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
> > mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
> > cope with the smell of humans?
>
> These things don't contradict anything that has been
> previously said or depicted in Trek. They may violate
> common sense and insult the intelligence of the viewer,
> but they aren't violations of any established Trek canon.
>
> GeneK

Um

Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise, and
had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays, but
are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.

You don't think crap like that violates canon?

As incompetent as Starfleet Medical often is, they aren't about to lose
track of and entire widly known and heavily regulated species.

--
Star Trek 08:

No Shat, No Show.

"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message news:ANIM8Rfsk-> Um
>
> Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise,
> and
> had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays,
> but
> are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.
>
> You don't think crap like that violates canon?


I would say so, yes, but that wasn't mentioned in the
post I was replying to. I stopped watching ENT
sometime after the second or third episode, so I can
only comment on specific items people mention in
posts, not the series as a whole.

GeneK

"GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote in message
news:JP%qj.1049$lU5.971@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.v erio.net...
> "Jaxtraw" <jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote
>> I think Enterprise obeyed the letter of the canon but violated the spirit
>> of
>> it. For instance, I don't believe that the primitive spaceships described
>> by
>> Spock in Balance Of Terror was meant to mean Romulan ships with
>> holoprojectors run by remote control zombie elves.
>
> ENT presented a series of "past historical events" that
> are, for obvious reasons, totally unreferenced in any
> other Trek (with the possible exception of the gratuitous
> Riker/Troi appearance in the series finale). Since we
> all know that in the real world history is often totally
> forgotten, mis-remembered, twisted or flat-out falsified,
> it's easy enough to conclude that 100 years later Archer
> and his missions have been relegated to the same
> obscurity that todays high school students attach to
> the Crusades or the Crimean wars, and that the tech
> designs of his time have gone the way of the Babylonian
> calendar, especially for isolated races like the Romulans
> whose civilizations may experience frequent upheavals.
>
> GeneK

Um....I don't think 100 years is enough to justify that. Perhaps 1000 years,
but not 100, particularly in races like Vulcans/humans with very advanced
technology/records. And in particular to somebody like SPOCK, who would
either be very knowledgable in the area or research it thoroughly.

In article <qQ3rj.1054$lU5.7@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.ne t>,
"GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:

> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message news:ANIM8Rfsk-> Um
> >
> > Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise,
> > and
> > had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays,
> > but
> > are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.
> >
> > You don't think crap like that violates canon?
>
>
> I would say so, yes, but that wasn't mentioned in the
> post I was replying to. I stopped watching ENT
> sometime after the second or third episode, so I can
> only comment on specific items people mention in
> posts, not the series as a whole.
>
> GeneK

Ah. Well, the whole damn show was like that. :)

--
Star Trek 08:

No Shat, No Show.

Anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article <qQ3rj.1054$lU5.7@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.ne t>,
> "GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message news:ANIM8Rfsk-> Um
>>>
>>> Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise,
>>> and
>>> had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays,
>>> but
>>> are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.
>>>
>>> You don't think crap like that violates canon?
>>
>>
>> I would say so, yes, but that wasn't mentioned in the
>> post I was replying to. I stopped watching ENT
>> sometime after the second or third episode, so I can
>> only comment on specific items people mention in
>> posts, not the series as a whole.
>>
>> GeneK
>
> Ah. Well, the whole damn show was like that. :)

I started downloading the last season eps when they were going for the
Trekkie demographic, and found some of them quite enjoyable (though I still
would like an answer as to why the Vulcans were so consistently awful). But
it always felt like between takes everyone was standing around saying, "hey
remind me, what's the point of us making this thing again?"

It just felt like a show without any heart, any purpose for existing.


Ian


--
http://www.jaxtrawstudios.com
sci-fi comics with shagging in

George Peatty wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:26 -0500, ToolPackinMama <philnblanc@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
>> mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
>> cope with the smell of humans?
>
> Those aren't violations of canon. More like extensions of canon.

::boggle::

GeneK wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <philnblanc@comcast.net> wrote...
>> Actually ENT violated the letter of Trek canon quite a bit. I mean,
>> mind melds can spread a disease? Vulcans need to numb their noses to
>> cope with the smell of humans?
>
> These things don't contradict anything that has been
> previously said or depicted in Trek. They may violate
> common sense and insult the intelligence of the viewer,
> but they aren't violations of any established Trek canon.
>

Oh, for cryin out loud. Gotta be kiddin me.

In article <47ad0a03$0$13937$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>,
"Jaxtraw" <jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <qQ3rj.1054$lU5.7@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.ne t>,
> > "GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message news:ANIM8Rfsk-> Um
> >>>
> >>> Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise,
> >>> and
> >>> had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays,
> >>> but
> >>> are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.
> >>>
> >>> You don't think crap like that violates canon?
> >>
> >>
> >> I would say so, yes, but that wasn't mentioned in the
> >> post I was replying to. I stopped watching ENT
> >> sometime after the second or third episode, so I can
> >> only comment on specific items people mention in
> >> posts, not the series as a whole.
> >>
> >> GeneK
> >
> > Ah. Well, the whole damn show was like that. :)
>
> I started downloading the last season eps when they were going for the
> Trekkie demographic, and found some of them quite enjoyable (though I still
> would like an answer as to why the Vulcans were so consistently awful). But
> it always felt like between takes everyone was standing around saying, "hey
> remind me, what's the point of us making this thing again?"
>
> It just felt like a show without any heart, any purpose for existing.

'Shhhh, with that crap! We're getting paid!'

I think that pretty much explains why ENT existed.

>
>
> Ian
>
>
> --
> http://www.jaxtrawstudios.com
> sci-fi comics with shagging in

In article
<bob-1C0E55.22212508022008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Warchild <bob@bob.com> wrote:

> In article <47ad0a03$0$13937$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>,
> "Jaxtraw" <jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > > In article <qQ3rj.1054$lU5.7@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.ne t>,
> > > "GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message news:ANIM8Rfsk-> Um
> > >>>
> > >>> Tribbles were commonly known across a hundred worlds in Enterprise,
> > >>> and
> > >>> had been carried on Starfleet ships, and used in Starfleet sickbays,
> > >>> but
> > >>> are unknown in Kirk's time, even to Spock and McCoy.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't think crap like that violates canon?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I would say so, yes, but that wasn't mentioned in the
> > >> post I was replying to. I stopped watching ENT
> > >> sometime after the second or third episode, so I can
> > >> only comment on specific items people mention in
> > >> posts, not the series as a whole.
> > >>
> > >> GeneK
> > >
> > > Ah. Well, the whole damn show was like that. :)
> >
> > I started downloading the last season eps when they were going for the
> > Trekkie demographic, and found some of them quite enjoyable (though I still
> > would like an answer as to why the Vulcans were so consistently awful). But
> > it always felt like between takes everyone was standing around saying, "hey
> > remind me, what's the point of us making this thing again?"
> >
> > It just felt like a show without any heart, any purpose for existing.
>
> 'Shhhh, with that crap! We're getting paid!'
>
> I think that pretty much explains why ENT existed.

Absolutely. And Voyager. They needed Trek content to keep the people
buying licenses to sell merchandise happy.

--
Star Trek 08:

No Shat, No Show.