Midway..

Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
Trio, which was diabolically poor.

Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.

John

"John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
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> Midway..
>
> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>
> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>
> John

They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They mix
directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather pointless.

Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all they
need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget about it? (so
they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)

Martin <nonhere@nonhere.com> did eloquently scribble:

> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>> Midway..
>>
>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>
>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>
>> John

> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They mix
> directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather pointless.

No-one's gone direct since the amnesia outbreak a few months ago.
Maybe it was a new protocol in reference to that?
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"Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>> Midway..
>>
>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>
>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>
>> John
>
> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
> pointless.
>
> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget about
> it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>
>

Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
years ago.

Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits

"puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>> Midway..
>>>
>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>> pointless.
>>
>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget about
>> it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>
>>
>
> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
> years ago.
>

The iris on the gate in Stargate Command on Earth was installed in the first
episode of SG-1.

"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>> Midway..
>>>>
>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>>> pointless.
>>>
>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
>> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
>> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
>> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
>> years ago.
>>
>
> The iris on the gate in Stargate Command on Earth was installed in the
> first episode of SG-1.

Not being a fan of SG-1... so why can't they just do the same for all the
gates?

Puzz

puzzlrr wrote:
>
> "NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>> Seems rather pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
>>>> all they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will
>>>> forget about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis
>>> gate had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with
>>> iris'. If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved
>>> their Wraith problem years ago.
>>>
>>
>> The iris on the gate in Stargate Command on Earth was installed in the
>> first episode of SG-1.
>
> Not being a fan of SG-1... so why can't they just do the same for all
> the gates?
>
> Puzz
>
>

It's not exactly a simple system based on what SG-1 depicts.

"puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>> Midway..
>>>
>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>> pointless.
>>
>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget about
>> it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>
>>
>
> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
> years ago.
>
> Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits
>
>
The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them off.
Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
wasn't one at Midway.

"Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>> Midway..
>>>>
>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>>> pointless.
>>>
>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
>> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
>> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
>> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
>> years ago.
>>
>> Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits
>>
>>
> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
> off.
> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
> wasn't one at Midway.

Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
shield.

"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote in message
> news:0RVuj.4511$Sa1.3698@news02.roc.ny...
>>
>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems
>>>> rather pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If
>>> they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith
>>> problem years ago.
>>>
>>> Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits
>>>
>>>
>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>> off.
>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>> wasn't one at Midway.
>
> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
> shield.

Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter an
ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and if
"Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an audible
confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.

The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
similar incursion.

Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
wrote:

>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.

>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems
>>>>> rather pointless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)

>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If
>>>> they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith
>>>> problem years ago.

>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>>> off.
>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>
>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
>> shield.
>
>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter an
>ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and if
>"Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an audible
>confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>
>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>similar incursion.
>
>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
>is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
>interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)

I'm not so damned sure *can* install an iris on this system.

Think about it...

You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.

How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).

<Brainstorming here>

Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.

This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
duty control room personnel.

Comments? Improvement suggestions?
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"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>
>>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>> rather pointless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>
>>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
>>>>> If
>>>>> they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith
>>>>> problem years ago.
>
>>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>>>> off.
>>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>>>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>>
>>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
>>> shield.
>>
>>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
>>an
>>ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
>>if
>>"Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an audible
>>confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>>
>>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>>similar incursion.
>>
>>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
>>is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
>>interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
>
> I'm not so damned sure *can* install an iris on this system.
>
> Think about it...
>
> You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
> sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
> linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
> least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.
>
> How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
> each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
> passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
> Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
> transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).
>
> <Brainstorming here>
>
> Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
> control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
> and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
> galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
> and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
> access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.
>
> This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
> transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
> Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
> duty control room personnel.
>
> Comments? Improvement suggestions?

Yes I think anything that could prevent the Wraith even if they got through
the Atlantis gates to Midway. However, what if they sent a small space
vehicle through, such as a Dart? or even Wraith in their versions of space
suits?

I still think as well that allowing direct travel through the gate system to
Earth makes no sense. Their stop off point shouldn't be Midway but a planet
in our Galaxy where they can still serve out quarantine and the gate can be
better defended. Yes you need to swap over gate systems at Midway but why
stop there for 24 hours? An uninhabited planet with only SGC personnel
(perhaps with the Gate underground would be better) in our Galaxy would seem
to be better.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:06:31 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
wrote:

>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully
>>>>>>>> it will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>
>>>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>>>>> Seems rather pointless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
>>>>>>> all they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will
>>>>>>> forget about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>
>>>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
>>>>>> If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their
>>>>>> Wraith problem years ago.
>>
>>>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>>>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>>>>> off.
>>>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>>>>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>>>
>>>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
>>>> shield.
>>>
>>>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
>>>an ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>>>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
>>>if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
>>>audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>>>
>>>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>>>similar incursion.
>>>
>>>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
>>>is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
>>>interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
>>
>> I'm not so damned sure *can* install an iris on this system.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
>> sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
>> linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
>> least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.
>>
>> How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
>> each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
>> passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
>> Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
>> transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).
>>
>> <Brainstorming here>
>>
>> Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
>> control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
>> and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
>> galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
>> and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
>> access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.
>>
>> This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
>> transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
>> Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
>> duty control room personnel.
>>
>> Comments? Improvement suggestions?
>
>Yes I think anything that could prevent the Wraith even if they got through
>the Atlantis gates to Midway. However, what if they sent a small space
>vehicle through, such as a Dart? or even Wraith in their versions of space
>suits?

A Dart would be stuck in the Pegasus Gate Room. So would the
space-suited Wraith. You'd have to be beamed out of there.

>I still think as well that allowing direct travel through the gate system to
>Earth makes no sense. Their stop off point shouldn't be Midway but a planet
>in our Galaxy where they can still serve out quarantine and the gate can be
>better defended. Yes you need to swap over gate systems at Midway but why
>stop there for 24 hours? An uninhabited planet with only SGC personnel
>(perhaps with the Gate underground would be better) in our Galaxy would seem
>to be better.

Once you have to switch over, it really is better to do it in the
Void. For example, if you want to stop the Wraith from just sending
Drones and Leaders, just vent the compartment to space. Hard to do on
a planet. If a virulent infection shows up in the Transfer/Quarantine
Module, just shut it down and bring in a new module. On a planet, you
might render the entire planet a kill zone.
--
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson

"John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
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> Midway..
>
> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>
> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.


The DVD is just covering loose ends of the story line.


>
> John
>
>

"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote in message
news:98hpr31rcd056heu1ea45iho65nr7rabnj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:06:31 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so
>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>> it will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>
>>>>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>>>>>> Seems rather pointless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
>>>>>>>> all they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will
>>>>>>>> forget about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril"
>>>>>>>> again)
>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis
>>>>>>> gate
>>>>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
>>>>>>> If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their
>>>>>>> Wraith problem years ago.
>>>
>>>>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>>>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>>>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use
>>>>>> gate
>>>>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or
>>>>> a
>>>>> shield.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
>>>>an ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>>>>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
>>>>if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
>>>>audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>>>>
>>>>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>>>>similar incursion.
>>>>
>>>>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC,
>>>>there
>>>>is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
>>>>interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
>>>
>>> I'm not so damned sure *can* install an iris on this system.
>>>
>>> Think about it...
>>>
>>> You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
>>> sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
>>> linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
>>> least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.
>>>
>>> How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
>>> each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
>>> passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
>>> Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
>>> transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).
>>>
>>> <Brainstorming here>
>>>
>>> Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
>>> control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
>>> and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
>>> galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
>>> and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
>>> access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.
>>>
>>> This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
>>> transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
>>> Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
>>> duty control room personnel.
>>>
>>> Comments? Improvement suggestions?
>>
>>Yes I think anything that could prevent the Wraith even if they got
>>through
>>the Atlantis gates to Midway. However, what if they sent a small space
>>vehicle through, such as a Dart? or even Wraith in their versions of space
>>suits?
>
> A Dart would be stuck in the Pegasus Gate Room. So would the
> space-suited Wraith. You'd have to be beamed out of there.
>
>>I still think as well that allowing direct travel through the gate system
>>to
>>Earth makes no sense. Their stop off point shouldn't be Midway but a
>>planet
>>in our Galaxy where they can still serve out quarantine and the gate can
>>be
>>better defended. Yes you need to swap over gate systems at Midway but why
>>stop there for 24 hours? An uninhabited planet with only SGC personnel
>>(perhaps with the Gate underground would be better) in our Galaxy would
>>seem
>>to be better.
>
> Once you have to switch over, it really is better to do it in the
> Void. For example, if you want to stop the Wraith from just sending
> Drones and Leaders, just vent the compartment to space. Hard to do on
> a planet. If a virulent infection shows up in the Transfer/Quarantine
> Module, just shut it down and bring in a new module. On a planet, you
> might render the entire planet a kill zone.
> --
> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
> blood of patriots and tyrants."
> - Thomas Jefferson


Yes it would have been bettre to leave the Gateroom in a void (as it was
originally). Regarding the contamination issue, that something that happens
all the time when SGC personnel return form a mission in our own Galaxy.
THere is no quarantine period and the whole of the SGC can be put at risk.

I still think that the Midway bridge should not go direct to Earth but to
another planet in our Galaxy instead.

Martin wrote:

> "David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:98hpr31rcd056heu1ea45iho65nr7rabnj@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:06:31 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Midway..
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
> >>>>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
> >>>>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so
> >>>>>>>>> hopefully
> >>>>>>>>> it will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
> >>>>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
> >>>>>>>> Seems rather pointless.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
> >>>>>>>> all they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will
> >>>>>>>> forget about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril"
> >>>>>>>> again)
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis
> >>>>>>> gate
> >>>>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
> >>>>>>> If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their
> >>>>>>> Wraith problem years ago.
> >>>
> >>>>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
> >>>>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
> >>>>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use
> >>>>>> gate
> >>>>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing
> >>>>>> them
> >>>>>> off.
> >>>>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason
> >>>>>> there
> >>>>>> wasn't one at Midway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> shield.
> >>>>
> >>>>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
> >>>>an ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
> >>>>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
> >>>>if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
> >>>>audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
> >>>>
> >>>>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
> >>>>similar incursion.
> >>>>
> >>>>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC,
> >>>>there
> >>>>is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
> >>>>interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
> >>>
> >>> I'm not so damned sure *can* install an iris on this system.
> >>>
> >>> Think about it...
> >>>
> >>> You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
> >>> sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
> >>> linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
> >>> least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.
> >>>
> >>> How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
> >>> each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
> >>> passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
> >>> Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
> >>> transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).
> >>>
> >>> <Brainstorming here>
> >>>
> >>> Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
> >>> control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
> >>> and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
> >>> galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
> >>> and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
> >>> access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.
> >>>
> >>> This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
> >>> transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
> >>> Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
> >>> duty control room personnel.
> >>>
> >>> Comments? Improvement suggestions?
> >>
> >>Yes I think anything that could prevent the Wraith even if they got
> >>through
> >>the Atlantis gates to Midway. However, what if they sent a small space
> >>vehicle through, such as a Dart? or even Wraith in their versions of space
> >>suits?
> >
> > A Dart would be stuck in the Pegasus Gate Room. So would the
> > space-suited Wraith. You'd have to be beamed out of there.
> >
> >>I still think as well that allowing direct travel through the gate system
> >>to
> >>Earth makes no sense. Their stop off point shouldn't be Midway but a
> >>planet
> >>in our Galaxy where they can still serve out quarantine and the gate can
> >>be
> >>better defended. Yes you need to swap over gate systems at Midway but why
> >>stop there for 24 hours? An uninhabited planet with only SGC personnel
> >>(perhaps with the Gate underground would be better) in our Galaxy would
> >>seem
> >>to be better.
> >
> > Once you have to switch over, it really is better to do it in the
> > Void. For example, if you want to stop the Wraith from just sending
> > Drones and Leaders, just vent the compartment to space. Hard to do on
> > a planet. If a virulent infection shows up in the Transfer/Quarantine
> > Module, just shut it down and bring in a new module. On a planet, you
> > might render the entire planet a kill zone.
> > --
> > "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
> > blood of patriots and tyrants."
> > - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Yes it would have been bettre to leave the Gateroom in a void (as it was
> originally). Regarding the contamination issue, that something that happens
> all the time when SGC personnel return form a mission in our own Galaxy.
> THere is no quarantine period and the whole of the SGC can be put at risk.
>
> I still think that the Midway bridge should not go direct to Earth but to
> another planet in our Galaxy instead.

I predict that when the Midway brdige is rebuilt, it will be directed to another
planet!

"Universe_JDJ" <universejdj@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> puzzlrr wrote:
>>
>> "NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:RJmdnV3aELuGRibanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>>> Seems rather pointless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
>>>> If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their
>>>> Wraith problem years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The iris on the gate in Stargate Command on Earth was installed in the
>>> first episode of SG-1.
>>
>> Not being a fan of SG-1... so why can't they just do the same for all the
>> gates?
>>
>> Puzz
>>
>>
>
> It's not exactly a simple system based on what SG-1 depicts.

Huh? Either what happens on SG-1 is canon or its not. If its not, then
people should stop referencing SG-1 when discussing SGA. But since that's
never gonna happen...

Puzz

"Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>> Midway..
>>>>
>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>>> pointless.
>>>
>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
>> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
>> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
>> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
>> years ago.
>>
>> Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits
>>
>>
> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.

Which is what I thought (see above). But someone said that wasn't the case.

> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?

Um... it would mean the Wraith couldn't come through on various gates. I
know they could still fly to each planet and cull, but a lot of incursions
happen with a couple of darts.

> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
> off.

Um... they could place them there and the locals can be in charge of them.
Where did you get (from my post) that the SGC would 'own' the gates, btw?

> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
> wasn't one at Midway.
>

Which probably means they can't just be installed wherever you want them to
be. Or that the writers saw that it would stop the episode cold.

Puzz

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:02:25 -0600, "puzzlrr"
<puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>"Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:

>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully it
>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.

>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't remember
>>>> them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to Earth? They
>>>> mix directly with people who may then leave the base. Seems rather
>>>> pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)

>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on the
>>> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had a
>>> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
>>> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith problem
>>> years ago.

>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>
>Which is what I thought (see above). But someone said that wasn't the case.

Who said that? The gate in the city of Atlantis has a force field
shield that performs the same function as the iris on the gate at the
SGC.

>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>
>Um... it would mean the Wraith couldn't come through on various gates. I
>know they could still fly to each planet and cull, but a lot of incursions
>happen with a couple of darts.
>
>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>> off.
>
>Um... they could place them there and the locals can be in charge of them.

So, they'd have to man the gates. Not practical in a lot of the
circumstances.

>Where did you get (from my post) that the SGC would 'own' the gates, btw?
>
>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>
>Which probably means they can't just be installed wherever you want them to
>be. Or that the writers saw that it would stop the episode cold.
--
"He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine!"
-Jonathan Edwards

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:31:11 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
wrote:

>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:06:31 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:28:39 -0000, "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>"NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so
>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>>> it will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back
>>>>>>>>> to Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the
>>>>>>>>> base. Seems rather pointless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that
>>>>>>>>> all they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will
>>>>>>>>> forget about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril"
>>>>>>>>> again)
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris
>>>>>>>> on the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis
>>>>>>>> gate had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with
>>>>>>>> iris'. If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved
>>>>>>>> their Wraith problem years ago.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>>>>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>>>>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use
>>>>>>> gate travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around
>>>>>>> closing them off. Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is
>>>>>>> the only reason there wasn't one at Midway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or
>>>>>> a shield.
>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
>>>>>an ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>>>>>Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
>>>>>if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
>>>>>audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>>>>>similar incursion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC,
>>>>>there is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It
>>>>>will be interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not so damned sure you *can* install an iris on this system.
>>>>
>>>> Think about it...
>>>>
>>>> You dial the first gate. It receives and stores whatever you are
>>>> sending. Then IT has to dial the next gate. There is no *direct*
>>>> linkage from Atlantis to the SGC, much less to Midway Station. At
>>>> least, not as I understand the gates and this setup.
>>>>
>>>> How it should be done is to have the gates in separate structures,
>>>> each with a gate room big enough to accommodate whatever is being
>>>> passed from the Milky Way Gate System to the Pegasus Gate System. Use
>>>> Asgard beaming technology to beam whatever is going through the
>>>> transfer to the Midway Main Station (where the control room is).
>>>>
>>>> <Brainstorming here>
>>>>
>>>> Or even have a separate transfer station which is isolated from the
>>>> control area . Yes, that's it. Four structures. A receiving gate
>>>> and gate room for each galaxy - 2 separate structures one for each
>>>> galaxy. A transfer point station - including quarantine facilities
>>>> and security personnel. And, finally, a control station that can only
>>>> access and be accessed from the Milky Way Gate side.
>>>>
>>>> This way, you can't *get* from either system gate room to either the
>>>> transfer station or the control station (if you are in the Milky Way
>>>> Gate System receiving gate room) unless you pass muster with the on
>>>> duty control room personnel.
>>>>
>>>> Comments? Improvement suggestions?
>>>
>>>Yes I think anything that could prevent the Wraith even if they got
>>>through the Atlantis gates to Midway. However, what if they sent a small
>>>space vehicle through, such as a Dart? or even Wraith in their versions
>>>of space suits?
>>
>> A Dart would be stuck in the Pegasus Gate Room. So would the
>> space-suited Wraith. You'd have to be beamed out of there.

<More brainstorming>

AND, you could turn off the artificial gravity. That always makes
things more difficult.

>>>I still think as well that allowing direct travel through the gate system
>>>to Earth makes no sense. Their stop off point shouldn't be Midway but a
>>>planet in our Galaxy where they can still serve out quarantine and the
>>>gate can be better defended. Yes you need to swap over gate systems at
>>>Midway but why stop there for 24 hours? An uninhabited planet with only
>>>SGC personnel (perhaps with the Gate underground would be better) in our
>>>Galaxy would seem to be better.
>>
>> Once you have to switch over, it really is better to do it in the
>> Void. For example, if you want to stop the Wraith from just sending
>> Drones and Leaders, just vent the compartment to space. Hard to do on
>> a planet. If a virulent infection shows up in the Transfer/Quarantine
>> Module, just shut it down and bring in a new module. On a planet, you
>> might render the entire planet a kill zone.

>Yes it would have been bettre to leave the Gateroom in a void (as it was
>originally). Regarding the contamination issue, that something that happens
>all the time when SGC personnel return form a mission in our own Galaxy.
>THere is no quarantine period and the whole of the SGC can be put at risk.
>
>I still think that the Midway bridge should not go direct to Earth but to
>another planet in our Galaxy instead.

Done correctly, there is no need for it.

Why have two facilities when you can have one? Why let whatever
threat is coming from Pegasus into the Milky Way at all? Why
overcomplicate the cargo handling aspects of the system by adding in
another stop?
--
"I guess I wouldn't believe in anything anymore if it weren't
for my lucky astrology mood watch."
- Steve Martin

"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote in message
news:lr6rr35huaksngov6tt62o2pk6iurr749o@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:02:25 -0600, "puzzlrr"
> <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>"Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:

>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>
>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>> the
>>>> gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate had
>>>> a
>>>> iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'. If they
>>>> could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their Wraith
>>>> problem
>>>> years ago.
>
>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>
>>Which is what I thought (see above). But someone said that wasn't the
>>case.
>
> Who said that? The gate in the city of Atlantis has a force field
> shield that performs the same function as the iris on the gate at the
> SGC.
>

See above, starting with "Question is,"

>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>
>>Um... it would mean the Wraith couldn't come through on various gates. I
>>know they could still fly to each planet and cull, but a lot of incursions
>>happen with a couple of darts.
>>
>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>>> off.
>>
>>Um... they could place them there and the locals can be in charge of them.
>
> So, they'd have to man the gates. Not practical in a lot of the
> circumstances.
>

Hell, let the local yokels do that. Its their *** that the iris is
protecting.

Puzz

if you watch the beginning of Stargate SG1 you would know that the iris was
installed at the order of Gen. Hammond
"Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "NoRemorse" <thebummer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Joetheone" <joetheone@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote in message
>> news:0RVuj.4511$Sa1.3698@news02.roc.ny...
>>>
>>> "puzzlrr" <puzzzlrrr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IHQuj.5358$Mw.234@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ipudnblMbODpzCbanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <inGod@wetrust.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:cvgmr317ms74no9o4pemhn3i3n3h32qul8@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Midway..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that was an improvement over the last two episodes especially
>>>>>> Trio, which was diabolically poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to the SG-1 DVD hopefully we'll be able to see
>>>>>> something good Stargate wise then there will BSG again so hopefully
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> will make up for the poor season we've had from Atlantis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to have a 24 hour quarantine on Midway, but I don't
>>>>> remember them doing it if people travel direct from Atlantis back to
>>>>> Earth? They mix directly with people who may then leave the base.
>>>>> Seems rather pointless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question is, have they now written out the bridge (forgetting that all
>>>>> they need to do is put an iris on both gates) hoping we will forget
>>>>> about it? (so they can put the Atlantis team in "peril" again)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the quibble, but I don't think they can just put an iris on
>>>> the gate. In the season opener, they mentioned that the Atlantis gate
>>>> had a iris, which I took to mean that not all gates come with iris'.
>>>> If they could put an iris on a gate, they could have solved their
>>>> Wraith problem years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Puzz ~ who takes quibbles with her bits
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Atlantis gate came with a force field installed by the Ancients.
>>> How would irises have solved their Wraith problems?
>>> SGC doesn't "own" all the gates in the system. Lots of natives use gate
>>> travel, for trade and whatever. They can't just go around closing them
>>> off.
>>> Arrogance ant their hallmark lack of planning is the only reason there
>>> wasn't one at Midway.
>>
>> Yup. McKay claimed the bridge was "secure" and didn't need an iris or a
>> shield.
>
> Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
> an ident code. Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
> Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
> if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
> audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>
> The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
> similar incursion.
>
> Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
> is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth. It will be
> interesting to see what the writers do (if anything)
>
>

"Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...

| Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
| an ident code.

Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.

| Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
| Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
| if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
| audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.

Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
it can connect to the next hop.

When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
configuration to preserve the relative timing.)

There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible confirmation
unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it obviously
wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that, e.g.,
there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly risky
procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at least
one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before sending
anyone through. At the same time that would increase the confidence
before opening the iris.

| The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
| similar incursion.
|
| Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
| is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.

Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
free pass into the SGC.

Dan Lancaini
ddl@danlan.*com

In article <1345362@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:

> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
> | an ident code.
>
> Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.
>
> | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
> | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
> | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
> | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>
> Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
> audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
> each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
> it can connect to the next hop.

Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck in
a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being dumped
out into space).
>
> When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
> connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
> hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
> in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
> rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
> iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
> configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
>
> There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible confirmation
> unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it obviously
> wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
> can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that, e.g.,
> there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly risky
> procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at least
> one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before sending
> anyone through. At the same time that would increase the confidence
> before opening the iris.

Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a full
24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return. Obviously there weren't
any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go through
the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.

*world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly? How
does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody on the
station always infected? And how does anybody else come through? Does
the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then not
let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24 hour
period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole. It
was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.
>
> | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
> | similar incursion.
> |
> | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
> | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
>
> Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
> free pass into the SGC.

I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless they're
intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The first
gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
should be in space. Unless suddenly we have a gate network that can't
jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.
>
> Dan Lancaini
> ddl@danlan.*com

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <ANIM8Rfsk-EF3FEB.02405724022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
| In article <1345362@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
| ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
|
| > "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
| > news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
| >
| > | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
| > | an ident code.
| >
| > Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.
| >
| > | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
| > | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
| > | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
| > | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
| >
| > Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
| > audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
| > each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
| > it can connect to the next hop.
|
| Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
| assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck in
| a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being dumped
| out into space).

Well, I guess he should know since he wrote the macros. Maybe the algorithm
is that if you can't continue you get re-integrated and dumped. Good if you
are at the planet gate, bad everywhere else. Rodney would just be following
the Ancient tradition of building death traps. And he did know that the
"glitch" was at the planet-based gate. Maybe he had to know that. He said
they couldn't contact Midway and the only way they could detect that condition
(other than waiting for a call back) is at the first hop. With only one worm
hole open at a time there is no back-channel for status reports. If they can't
persuade a gate to support incoming and outgoing worm holes at the same time
they might want to consider having a macro to make every other gate multi-dial
its two neighbors. At least that way they could have a cut-through bridge for
radio.

| > When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
| > connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
| > hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
| > in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
| > rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
| > iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
| > configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
| >
| > There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible confirmation
| > unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it obviously
| > wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
| > can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that, e.g.,
| > there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly risky
| > procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at least
| > one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before sending
| > anyone through. At the same time that would increase the confidence
| > before opening the iris.
|
| Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a full
| 24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return. Obviously there weren't
| any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go through
| the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.

I suppose in theory it could have been one of the residents. Still they
should have called with a message (only) first. I mean, the whole purpose
of the bridge is to make calls power-cheap, so they could afford a few
extras.

| *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
| roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?

They die?

| How
| does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody on the
| station always infected? And how does anybody else come through? Does
| the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then not
| let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24 hour
| period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
| Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole. It
| was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.

What about the fact that Ronon wanted to dial Earth directly _because_ going
through Midway involved the 24 hour quarantine. Apparently if you dial direct
you don't need any quarantine or maybe they quarantine you more comfortably in
the SGC. Between that, the limited accommodations on Midway, and the overall
stupidity of the quarantine protocol I was almost ready to believe that the
whole thing was simply a scam to make Ronon spend more time with his tutor.

| > | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
| > | similar incursion.
| > |
| > | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
| > | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
| >
| > Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
| > free pass into the SGC.
|
| I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless they're
| intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The first
| gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
| should be in space. Unless suddenly we have a gate network that can't
| jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.

Maybe it's easier to tinker with the gate if it's on a planet? Easier for
Rodney, but also easier for the Wraith.

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com

In article <1345363@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:

> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-EF3FEB.02405724022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
> | In article <1345362@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
> | ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
> |
> | > "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
> | > news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> | >
> | > | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to
> | > | enter
> | > | an ident code.
> | >
> | > Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.
> | >
> | > | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
> | > | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway
> | > | and
> | > | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
> | > | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
> | >
> | > Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
> | > audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
> | > each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
> | > it can connect to the next hop.
> |
> | Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
> | assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck in
> | a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being dumped
> | out into space).
>
> Well, I guess he should know since he wrote the macros. Maybe the algorithm
> is that if you can't continue you get re-integrated and dumped. Good if you
> are at the planet gate, bad everywhere else. Rodney would just be following
> the Ancient tradition of building death traps.

seems like it.

And he did know that the
> "glitch" was at the planet-based gate. Maybe he had to know that. He said
> they couldn't contact Midway and the only way they could detect that
> condition
> (other than waiting for a call back) is at the first hop. With only one worm
> hole open at a time there is no back-channel for status reports.

But he's getting one somehow anyway. He knew when and where the glitch
occured, and assumed they were safe just because the timing was such
that they should have been past the planetary gate. So something is
sending information back at him.

If they
> can't
> persuade a gate to support incoming and outgoing worm holes at the same time
> they might want to consider having a macro to make every other gate
> multi-dial
> its two neighbors. At least that way they could have a cut-through bridge
> for
> radio.
>
> | > When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
> | > connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
> | > hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
> | > in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
> | > rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
> | > iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
> | > configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
> | >
> | > There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible confirmation
> | > unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it obviously
> | > wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
> | > can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that, e.g.,
> | > there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly risky
> | > procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at least
> | > one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before sending
> | > anyone through. At the same time that would increase the confidence
> | > before opening the iris.
> |
> | Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a full
> | 24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return. Obviously there weren't
> | any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go through
> | the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.
>
> I suppose in theory it could have been one of the residents.

I don't see how. They'd have to be under the same quarantine as
everybody that comes in, every time.

Still they
> should have called with a message (only) first. I mean, the whole purpose
> of the bridge is to make calls power-cheap, so they could afford a few
> extras.
>
> | *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
> | roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?
>
> They die?

Yeah. And somebody pushes the self destruct on the station.

Oh, by the way, Midway can not only vent the air into space, they have
enough extra to refill the place in a hurry too?
>
> | How
> | does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody on the
> | station always infected? And how does anybody else come through? Does
> | the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then not
> | let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24 hour
> | period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
> | Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole. It
> | was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.
>
> What about the fact that Ronon wanted to dial Earth directly _because_ going
> through Midway involved the 24 hour quarantine. Apparently if you dial
> direct
> you don't need any quarantine or maybe they quarantine you more comfortably
> in
> the SGC. Between that, the limited accommodations on Midway, and the overall
> stupidity of the quarantine protocol I was almost ready to believe that the
> whole thing was simply a scam to make Ronon spend more time with his tutor.

Hah! I almost like that.
>
> | > | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent
> | > | a
> | > | similar incursion.
> | > |
> | > | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC,
> | > | there
> | > | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
> | >
> | > Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
> | > free pass into the SGC.
> |
> | I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless they're
> | intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The first
> | gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
> | should be in space. Unless suddenly we have a gate network that can't
> | jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.
>
> Maybe it's easier to tinker with the gate if it's on a planet? Easier for
> Rodney, but also easier for the Wraith.

They put the space gates where they are. I assume Rodney tinkered with
them first.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <1345363@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>, ddl@danlan.*com says...
> What about the fact that Ronon wanted to dial Earth directly _because_ going
> through Midway involved the 24 hour quarantine. Apparently if you dial direct
> you don't need any quarantine or maybe they quarantine you more comfortably in
> the SGC. Between that, the limited accommodations on Midway, and the overall
> stupidity of the quarantine protocol I was almost ready to believe that the
> whole thing was simply a scam to make Ronon spend more time with his tutor.
>

I was just about to suggest that :)

On 24 Feb 2008 09:07:05 GMT, ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:

>| The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>| similar incursion.
>|
>| Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
>| is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
>
>Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
>free pass into the SGC.

There are ways to get around that situation that do not let whatever
it is you are guarding against (infection, Wraith, Asuran style
Replicators - whatever) into the Milky Way at all. I outlined some in
another post. Merely isolating the control room (and it's attendant
facilities - including control room personnel quarters) from the gate
room and quarantine facilities would be a substantial step up in
security.
--
"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody is looking."
- H. L. Mencken

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:40:57 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

> ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
>> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to enter
>> | an ident code.
>>
>> Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.
>>
>> | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
>> | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway and
>> | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
>> | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
>>
>> Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
>> audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
>> each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
>> it can connect to the next hop.
>
>Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
>assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck in
>a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being dumped
>out into space).

That was because the "glitch" occurred at the planet. Either they had
made it to Midway OR they were dumped out on the planet.

>> When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
>> connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
>> hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
>> in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
>> rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
>> iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
>> configuration to preserve the relative timing.)
>>
>> There was nobody to talk to and no way to get an audible confirmation
>> unless that was a pre-arranged part of the procedure--which it obviously
>> wasn't. There is also no way to warn incoming travelers that you
>> can't or won't open the iris or even for them to find out that, e.g.,
>> there is nobody around to try. This seems like an incredibly risky
>> procedure for both ends. I would have thought they would have at least
>> one back-and-forth communication pass to minimize the risk before sending
>> anyone through. At the same time that would increase the confidence
>> before opening the iris.
>
>Yep. I wondered why they weren't surprised to hear from Midway a full
>24 hours before Teal'c was scheduled to return.

They were. It just wasn't as big of a surprise or deal as you thought
it should be. If it had been me, I'd have thought there was an
unscheduled message coming through.

>Obviously there weren't
>any other travellers on the station* and if everybody has to go through
>the quarantine, then this is an unscheduled activation.
>
>*world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
>roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?

The thought is that they'll show symptoms by then.

>How
>does this stop Pegasus bugs from coming through? Isn't everybody on the
>station always infected? And how does anybody else come through? Does
>the station take one batch of guests (up to 2 apparently) and then not
>let anybody on for 24 hours until they leave? Otherwise the 24 hour
>period has to keep starting over. And if that's the case, Stargate
>Command should have DEFINITELY challenged the incoming wormhole. It
>was, at the very least, breaking quarantine protocol.

No necessarily and, there are quarantine facilities on the base there.

>> | The fact is installing an Iris on both Midway gates would help prevent a
>> | similar incursion.
>> |
>> | Additionally, I would not have the earth gates go direct to the SGC, there
>> | is no need. Perhaps to the Alpha site first, then dial Earth.
>>
>> Even some uninhabited planet... Taking Midway should not give you a
>> free pass into the SGC.
>
>I'm not sure why there are gates on any planets anyway, unless they're
>intended to act as a failsafe, which they didn't seem to be. The first
>gate should take you outside the galaxy, and it and all the others
>should be in space.

From what we saw, that could very well be the case.

>Unless suddenly we have a gate network that can't
>jump anyplace in it's own galaxy in one hop.
--
"I think between us, Bill Clinton and I have settled any lingering myths
about the brilliance of Rhodes scholars."
Kris Kristofferson

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:42:40 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

> ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
>> ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:

>> | *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
>> | roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?
>>
>> They die?
>
>Yeah. And somebody pushes the self destruct on the station.
>
>Oh, by the way, Midway can not only vent the air into space, they have
>enough extra to refill the place in a hurry too?

Wouldn't YOU if you were designing it? Having been on a submarine, I
know *I* would. In fact, I'd have several times the capacity to do
that hanging around (literally - HP air flasks outside the station
walls).
--
"...you know, it seems to me you suffer from the problem of
wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world."
Dennis Juds

In article <f1m3s3hvm04klmbk78ubckn8ij3bantjso@4ax.com>,
"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@charter.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:42:40 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
> >> ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
>
> >> | *world's dumbest quarantine procedure, btw. Incoming travellers just
> >> | roam the station freely for 24 hours until . . . what, exactly?
> >>
> >> They die?
> >
> >Yeah. And somebody pushes the self destruct on the station.
> >
> >Oh, by the way, Midway can not only vent the air into space, they have
> >enough extra to refill the place in a hurry too?
>
> Wouldn't YOU if you were designing it? Having been on a submarine, I
> know *I* would. In fact, I'd have several times the capacity to do
> that hanging around (literally - HP air flasks outside the station
> walls).

Here's a thought

Does the Stargate let atmosphere through?

Could you refill the station by opening the gate to a planet with air?

If so, aren't you letting through every germ on Atlantis?

When they accessed that underwater gate, did air go rushing through the
entire time? What about when they access a gate in vaccuum? Do they
get a hurricane in the control room?

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <ANIM8Rfsk-613BDC.06424024022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>, ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
| In article <1345363@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
| ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
|
| > In article <ANIM8Rfsk-EF3FEB.02405724022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
| > ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
| > | In article <1345362@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM>,
| > | ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
| > |
| > | > "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:ofGdnds--pmqyCHanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
| > | >
| > | > | Agreed. They also got pas the Earth Iris because they were able to
| > | > | enter
| > | > | an ident code.
| > | >
| > | > Worse, Midway has its own IDC that doesn't get zeroized on lock down.
| > | >
| > | > | Again poor writing I suspect. The fact is an Iris on the
| > | > | Atlantis gate would have prevented the Wraith getting onboard Midway
| > | > | and
| > | > | if "Walter" had been a litlte more on the mark he might have got an
| > | > | audible confirmation beofre opening the Iris on the Earth Stargate.
| > | >
| > | > Given the way the treated the connection I don't think asking for an
| > | > audible confirmation would be possible, at least under a model where
| > | > each gate in the bridge must shut down its incoming worm hole before
| > | > it can connect to the next hop.
| > |
| > | Of course, if that's what it's doing, I don't understand why McKay
| > | assumed they got dumped out on the planet, as opposed to being stuck in
| > | a pattern buffer somewhere (which would be preferrable to being dumped
| > | out into space).
| >
| > Well, I guess he should know since he wrote the macros. Maybe the algorithm
| > is that if you can't continue you get re-integrated and dumped. Good if you
| > are at the planet gate, bad everywhere else. Rodney would just be following
| > the Ancient tradition of building death traps.
|
| seems like it.
|
| And he did know that the
| > "glitch" was at the planet-based gate. Maybe he had to know that. He said
| > they couldn't contact Midway and the only way they could detect that
| > condition
| > (other than waiting for a call back) is at the first hop. With only one worm
| > hole open at a time there is no back-channel for status reports.
|
| But he's getting one somehow anyway. He knew when and where the glitch
| occured, and assumed they were safe just because the timing was such
| that they should have been past the planetary gate. So something is
| sending information back at him.

He knew that he couldn't connect even to the first gate in the bridge,
so the feedback was automatic. But had there been a glitch further
along could he have known? Of course, much as I suggested they use
the ZPM to connect to Midway directly they should be able to dial each
gate along the bridge to see if it is ok. And if it isn't set up to
do that it should be. They might also want to weld permanent covers
on all the intermediate gates to prevent them being used conventionally.
(I'm sure Rodney thinks the gates can't be hacked remotely, but we all
know how those things go.)

| If they
| > can't
| > persuade a gate to support incoming and outgoing worm holes at the same time
| > they might want to consider having a macro to make every other gate
| > multi-dial
| > its two neighbors. At least that way they could have a cut-through bridge
| > for
| > radio.
| >
| > | > When the Midway IDC code came through they acted as if it was a normal
| > | > connection, expecting (I assume) travelers to follow in the same worm
| > | > hole. But whatever had come or was to come must have been buffered
| > | > in the last/first gate in the bridge, being clocked out at an appropriate
| > | > rate. (You need the IDC to be received enough in advance to allow the
| > | > iris to be opened, so even RF must be going through the buffer in this
| > | > configuration to preserve the relativ