George Avalos wrote:
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>
>

4.3

A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
especially Todd.

"The Kindred 1"
2-22-08 SGA

5 stars (Julian Luna)

0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)

-George

"George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>

4

One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.

That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
out with the replicators.

-- Ken from Chicago

"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>>
>
> 4
>
> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.

Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
thankfully, that didn't happen.

> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> out with the replicators.

As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I hope
that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
plausible. No spoilers, please!

Eva
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"A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> 4.3
>
> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
> especially Todd.

I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith that
got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the "working
with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and white, and I
think the writers have the balance about right here. It was very good to see
Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in Todd's ship.

I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating him
was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it happened.
And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special' - I was so
hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.

Eva
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"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> 4.3
>>
>> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
>> especially Todd.
>
> I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
> that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
> "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and white,
> and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was very
> good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in Todd's
> ship.
>
> I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
> him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
> happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special' -
> I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>
> Eva
> --
> Join the Stargate SG-1 SETI@home Team
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>
> "Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
> delusionals..."

I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael, Baal,
whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam, and Weir, rejected or mistrusted by
society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their way thru a cold
cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and / or acceptance.

-- Ken from Chicago

Ken from Chicago wrote:

> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> > "The Kindred 1"
> > 2-22-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >
> > -George
> >
>
> 4
>
> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>
> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> out with the replicators.

I'm assuming that Michael has brainwashed the Athosians, since I don't believe
that they would voluntarily be a party to mass murder!

Eva wrote:

> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> >> "The Kindred 1"
> >> 2-22-08 SGA
> >>
> >> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >>
> >> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >>
> >> -George
> >>
> >
> > 4
> >
> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>
> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>
> > That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> > interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> > Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> > totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> > out with the replicators.
>
> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I hope
> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
> plausible. No spoilers, please!

I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the replicators
were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.

Eva wrote:

> "A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > 4.3
> >
> > A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
> > especially Todd.
>
> I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith that
> got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the "working
> with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and white, and I
> think the writers have the balance about right here. It was very good to see
> Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in Todd's ship.
>
> I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating him
> was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it happened.
> And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special' - I was so
> hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.

Speculation: Michael somehow altered the DNA of Teyla's boyfriend to make their
child special.

Ken from Chicago wrote:

> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:62ah2nF22pjhjU1@mid.individual.net...
> > "A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> 4.3
> >>
> >> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
> >> especially Todd.
> >
> > I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
> > that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
> > "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and white,
> > and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was very
> > good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in Todd's
> > ship.
> >
> > I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
> > him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
> > happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special' -
> > I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
> >
> > Eva
> > --
> > Join the Stargate SG-1 SETI@home Team
> > http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=30516
> >
> > "Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
> > delusionals..."
>
> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael, Baal,
> whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam, and Weir, rejected or mistrusted by
> society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their way thru a cold
> cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and / or acceptance.

Throw in Mr. Maybourne, that NIA renegade Jack O'Neil keeps working with. I
last saw him serving as a king!

"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:47C01792.EB528C0C@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>
>
> Eva wrote:
>
>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >
>> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> >> "The Kindred 1"
>> >> 2-22-08 SGA
>> >>
>> >> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>> >>
>> >> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>> >>
>> >> -George
>> >>
>> >
>> > 4
>> >
>> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>> > will
>> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
>> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>>
>> > That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>> > interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise
>> > ending.
>> > Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>> > totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>> > fake
>> > out with the replicators.
>>
>> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
>> hope
>> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
>> plausible. No spoilers, please!
>
> I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
> replicators
> were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
>

I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.

-- Ken from Chicago

"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:47C016B2.4AB8AA47@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>
>
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
>> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> > "The Kindred 1"
>> > 2-22-08 SGA
>> >
>> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>> >
>> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>>
>> 4
>>
>> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>> will
>> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
>> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>> fake
>> out with the replicators.
>
> I'm assuming that Michael has brainwashed the Athosians, since I don't
> believe
> that they would voluntarily be a party to mass murder!
>

I say they might be (also) some cloning involved since Michael like to work
with biology, genetics, you know, "organically".

-- Ken from Chicago

In article <13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com>,
"George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George

I think I'd better comment before I see what others have said this time.
I always have trouble with cliffhangers.

Let's see. . . Teyla gets a decent part even though pregnant. Good.

Michael is back as mad scientist. . . hmmmmm

Sam gets nothing but a few encouraging words.

Less Rodney than sometimes. . . good.

Actually connected to more than one earlier episode . . . good.

3.75

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo 

"erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-3A8392.08260323022008@news.airstreamcomm.net...
> In article <13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com>,
> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>
> I think I'd better comment before I see what others have said this time.
> I always have trouble with cliffhangers.
>
> Let's see. . . Teyla gets a decent part even though pregnant. Good.
>
> Michael is back as mad scientist. . . hmmmmm

He's not mad. He's misunderstood. He's one of the good guys--like Benjamin
Linus.

> Sam gets nothing but a few encouraging words.
>
> Less Rodney than sometimes. . . good.
>
> Actually connected to more than one earlier episode . . . good.

Started slow, picked up pace, ended with a bang.

> 3.75
>
> --
> Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
>
> You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
> that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
>
> Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo

-- Ken from Chicago

In article <4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> > "The Kindred 1"
> > 2-22-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >
> > -George
> >
>
> 4
>
> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>
> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> out with the replicators.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago

I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
show pretty much the entire scene.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> >> "The Kindred 1"
> >> 2-22-08 SGA
> >>
> >> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >>
> >> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >>
> >> -George
> >>
> >
> > 4
> >
> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>
> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> thankfully, that didn't happen.

When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
replied 'the hell I can't'

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

1

2 full points off for my having seen the ending in the ads over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over again.

A point off for 'oh, Teyla must be dreaming'

A point off for being boring.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-370190.08174023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> In article <4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> > "The Kindred 1"
>> > 2-22-08 SGA
>> >
>> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>> >
>> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>>
>> 4
>>
>> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>> will
>> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
>> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>> fake
>> out with the replicators.
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week?

Other than Atlantis, what's currently on Sci Fi worth watching?

"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
> Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam, and Weir, rejected or
> mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their
> way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and /
> or acceptance.

Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)

Eva
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> Eva wrote:

<snip>

>>> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
>>> hope
>>> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
>>> plausible. No spoilers, please!
>>
>> I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
>> replicators
>> were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
>>
>
> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.

Either way, does he get to stay? Somehow I don't think so. It would be cruel
for him to meet a bad end though. Again. Poor Rodney.

Eva
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delusionals..."

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:32:05 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
<arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>Other than Atlantis, what's currently on Sci Fi worth watching?

What, you don't just love that oh-so-believable "Ghost Hunters"?
C'mon...

Brian

"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
> the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
> BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
> show pretty much the entire scene.

I hate previews, especially those which precede the end credits of episodes.
You have to be really fast with the remote to avoid them.

Eva
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"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message

<snip>

>> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>> > will
>> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
>> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>
> When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> replied 'the hell I can't'


Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily, so she can
leave at any time. I think for Teyla her people come first, even before
Atlantis, and I believe that she would have left Atlantis if Sam had said
no. And I think Sam knew it, which is why she didn't get all official on
her. Plus, you just don't argue with a heavily pregant woman who is looking
for the father of her child...

Eva
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"Brian Thorn" <bthorn64@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
news:feg0s395in6jl8gm85au6me5aibhen2pl0@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:32:05 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
> <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>>Other than Atlantis, what's currently on Sci Fi worth watching?
>
> What, you don't just love that oh-so-believable "Ghost Hunters"?
> C'mon...

I certainly loved the half-screen advert popping up!

Eva
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delusionals..."

Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:47C016B2.4AB8AA47@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>
>>
>>Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>"The Kindred 1"
>>>>2-22-08 SGA
>>>>
>>>>5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>>>
>>>>0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>>>
>>>>-George
>>>>
>>>
>>>4
>>>
>>>One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>>>suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>>>will
>>>they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>>
>>>That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>>>interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
>>>Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>>>totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>>>fake
>>>out with the replicators.
>>
>>I'm assuming that Michael has brainwashed the Athosians, since I don't
>>believe
>>that they would voluntarily be a party to mass murder!
>>
>
>
> I say they might be (also) some cloning involved since Michael like to work
> with biology, genetics, you know, "organically".
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>

Last season Micheal did hold Beckett as a prisoner for awhile in the
episode Misbegotten. So he had the opportunity to run tests, take
samples, or even scan the good doctors brain.

ALV

Anim8rFSK wrote:

> In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>>"George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>"The Kindred 1"
>>>>2-22-08 SGA
>>>>
>>>>5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>>>
>>>>0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>>>
>>>>-George
>>>>
>>>
>>>4
>>>
>>>One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>>>suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
>>>they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>>Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
>>would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>>thankfully, that didn't happen.
>
>
> When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> replied 'the hell I can't'
>

Sam could refuse to let Teyla dial a gate. However Teyla is an ally
leader and not a subordinate in the chain of command. So she is free to
leave if she likes.

ALV

Tim Bruening wrote:

>
> I'm assuming that Michael has brainwashed the Athosians, since I don't believe
> that they would voluntarily be a party to mass murder!
>
..
..
Well, since Tayla's boyfriend looked just like Michael, I'm guessing
there was some genetic manipulation combined with re-education.

Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
> > And the big surprise ending.
> > Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> > totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> > out with the replicators.
> >
> I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
> the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
> BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
> show pretty much the entire scene.

If Sci-Fi were running "Citizen Kane", the promo would be
"Charles Foster Kane built an empire. But you'll never forget his last
word." And in the background, they'd be showing the sled.

Andrew Venor wrote:

> Last season Micheal did hold Beckett as a prisoner for awhile in the
> episode Misbegotten. So he had the opportunity to run tests, take
> samples, or even scan the good doctors brain.
..
..
Here's a thought that's scary: The Beckett WE know was the clone, and
this one is the original. If the writers wanted to be that convoluted,
it be an incredibly easy thing to write...

Brian Thorn wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:32:05 -0800, "Arthur Lipscomb"
> <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>> Other than Atlantis, what's currently on Sci Fi worth watching?
>
> What, you don't just love that oh-so-believable "Ghost Hunters"?
> C'mon...
..
..
lol At least the original Ghost Hunters had a good pretense of being
"scientific." I think just about every episode of Ghost Hunters
International ends with them saying "Yes, it's haunted."

erilar wrote:
> In article <13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com>,
> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>
> I think I'd better comment before I see what others have said this time.
> I always have trouble with cliffhangers.
>
> Let's see. . . Teyla gets a decent part even though pregnant. Good.
..
..
I've never been a big Tayla fan. She has T'ealc sydrome: every mood
and facial expression is the same. Short bursts of uniqueness are
followed by an immediate return to boringness.

Kind've like Nicholas Cage. :)

>
> Michael is back as mad scientist. . . hmmmmm
..
..
I don't think he's mad at all. He's just got a hankerin' for some
good ol' fashioned galactic domination!

George Avalos wrote:
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>
>

1 point off for the Daedulus having "slow motion" particle weapons. Not
to mention particle weapons that suddenly stop at a certain distance.

+.5 for seeing Michael onscreen shortly after our Usenet discussion
about how the writer's probably forgot about Michael. I actually
chuckled to myself over that one... I know, I'm a dork! Is Ford still
alive? Maybe he'll make an appearance in part 2. It would complete the
freak reunion.

-.5 for having stray children in a scene for no apparant reason but to
show a freaked out Rodney.

+.5 for the potential complex Jewel Staite's character will develop at
the prospect of the legendary Beckett returning and wanting to resume
his medical duties.

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> writes:
> lol At least the original Ghost Hunters had a good pretense of being
>"scientific."

Um, no it didn't. They regularly used equipment incorrectly, played funny
games with the timestamps on their recording equipment (once claiming to
show a disturbance in an 'unoccupied' room, that if you matched up the
timestamps on the video, it was actually THEM), and generally did stupid
things for the sake of crappy entertainment.

As "ghost hunters", they make good roto-rooter technicians. No surprises
there, since there's no such thing as ghosts or hauntings with supernatural
causes. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.

In article <L6WdnfYZTvbloV3anZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Arthur Lipscomb" <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-370190.08174023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> > In article <4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> >> > "The Kindred 1"
> >> > 2-22-08 SGA
> >> >
> >> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >> >
> >> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >> >
> >> > -George
> >> >
> >>
> >> 4
> >>
> >> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> >> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
> >> will
> >> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >>
> >> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> >> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> >> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> >> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
> >> fake
> >> out with the replicators.
> >>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week?
>
> Other than Atlantis, what's currently on Sci Fi worth watching?

Well, I watched SG! "100 Days" right before it since it turns out I'd
missed a bit at the end, plus there was the discussion of 'what happens
if you try to do the wrong way through a Stargate' that was answered
there -- disintigration. And I often leave it on as background noise.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <62atmgF228n5kU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sNidnTzTbak2vl3anZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> >> Eva wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >>> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
> >>> hope
> >>> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
> >>> plausible. No spoilers, please!
> >>
> >> I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
> >> replicators
> >> were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
> >>
> >
> > I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.
>
> Either way, does he get to stay? Somehow I don't think so. It would be cruel
> for him to meet a bad end though. Again. Poor Rodney.
>
> Eva

He'll just join Ford and Weir . . .

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <62au0sF224ideU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-370190.08174023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
> > the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
> > BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
> > show pretty much the entire scene.
>
> I hate previews, especially those which precede the end credits of episodes.
> You have to be really fast with the remote to avoid them.

I avoided the previews on the show itself, but a weeks worth of ads got
me.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-F38AD3.08190023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> > In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> >> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
> >> > will
> >> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >>
> >> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> >> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> >> thankfully, that didn't happen.
> >
> > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> > replied 'the hell I can't'
>
>
> Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily, so she can
> leave at any time.

it's Sam's Stargate. She doesn't have to let her use it. And Teyla
works for her, and has all SORTS of classified information.

I think for Teyla her people come first, even before
> Atlantis, and I believe that she would have left Atlantis if Sam had said
> no. And I think Sam knew it, which is why she didn't get all official on
> her. Plus, you just don't argue with a heavily pregant woman who is looking
> for the father of her child...

I'm not saying Sam shouldn't have let her go; I'm saying it would have
been nice if she'd made the point that she is in fact the boss before
letting her go.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <Taqdneg2IcgZz13anZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Andrew Venor <alvenor@comcast.net> wrote:

> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> > In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>
> >>>"George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>>>"The Kindred 1"
> >>>>2-22-08 SGA
> >>>>
> >>>>5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >>>>
> >>>>0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >>>>
> >>>>-George
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>4
> >>>
> >>>One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> >>>suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> >>>they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >>
> >>Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> >>would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> >>thankfully, that didn't happen.
> >
> >
> > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> > replied 'the hell I can't'
> >
>
> Sam could refuse to let Teyla dial a gate. However Teyla is an ally
> leader and not a subordinate in the chain of command. So she is free to
> leave if she likes.
>
> ALV

Yeah, but she's in the middle of the ocean. If Sam won't let her use
the gate, she sort of stuck.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <47c05d54$0$24115$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote:

> -.5 for having stray children in a scene for no apparant reason but to
> show a freaked out Rodney.

Yeah, what was that about anyway?

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article
<ANIM8Rfsk-370190.08174023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> > > "The Kindred 1"
> > > 2-22-08 SGA
> > >
> > > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> > >
> > > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> > >
> > > -George
> > >
> >
> > 4
> >
> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >
> > That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> > interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> > Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> > totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> > out with the replicators.
> >
> > -- Ken from Chicago
>
> I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
> the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
> BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
> show pretty much the entire scene.

Another reason for not watching the channel outside the current episode
8-) They don't get to spoil things for me.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo 

George Avalos wrote:
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>
>

4.0.

Nicely done.

Of course, you know they'll screw up part 2.

--
JWH

Eva wrote:
> "A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> 4.3
>>
>> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always
>> entertaining, especially Todd.
>
> I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
> that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
> "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
> white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was
> very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
> Todd's ship.
>
> I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
> him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
> happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special'
> - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.

They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
wraith genes.


--
JWH

In article <13s0oi7k8b5k672@news.supernews.com>,
pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:

> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> writes:
> > lol At least the original Ghost Hunters had a good pretense of being
> >"scientific."
>
> Um, no it didn't. They regularly used equipment incorrectly, played funny
> games with the timestamps on their recording equipment (once claiming to
> show a disturbance in an 'unoccupied' room, that if you matched up the
> timestamps on the video, it was actually THEM), and generally did stupid
> things for the sake of crappy entertainment.
>
> As "ghost hunters", they make good roto-rooter technicians. No surprises
> there, since there's no such thing as ghosts or hauntings with supernatural
> causes. *

That's the problem in the proverbial nutshell. If they do it right, the
answer every time is "there's nothing going on here" or at best "we have
no idea what's happening"

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:58:05 -0500, jewahe <j.hanvey@comcast.net>
wrote:

>They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
>special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
>wraith genes.

I'm gonna leave some space, just in case my guess is right, but
IMO.....

..
..
..
..
..
..
..

..
..

.... I reckon the child will have some of the Wraith Queen's
conciousness from when Teyla entered her mind a few episodes back and
the Wraith Queen detected the child's mind and she was still in
contact when she died; perhaps the conciousness will be able to
control the child or will have at least affected it somehow.

"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:62atepF21ucd0U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:t7ydnbceAphUkl3anZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> <snip>
>
>> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
>> Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam, and Weir, rejected or
>> mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their
>> way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and
>> / or acceptance.
>
> Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)
>
> Eva
> --
> Join the Stargate SG-1 SETI@home Team
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=30516
>
> "Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
> delusionals..."

STARGATE: RENEGADES.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.stargate-atlantis/msg/8be6a9f6edadc5e3

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.stargate-atlantis/msg/2ef7e95cc23a93c3

Altho where FARSCAPE were about a group of fugitives trying to return home,
SGR would be about a group of rejects trying to find *a* home.

-- Ken from Chicago

Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> writes:
>That's the problem in the proverbial nutshell. If they do it right, the
>answer every time is "there's nothing going on here" or at best "we have
>no idea what's happening"

Yep. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.

"jewahe" <j.hanvey@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9e6dnVcxJKk48V3anZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Eva wrote:
>> "A Watcher" <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> 4.3
>>>
>>> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always entertaining,
>>> especially Todd.
>>
>> I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
>> that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
>> "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
>> white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was
>> very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
>> Todd's ship.
>>
>> I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
>> him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
>> happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is
>> 'special' - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can
>> you do.
>
> They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
> special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
> wraith genes.
>
>
> --
> JWH

"***I*** am your father!"

-- Ken from Chicago

"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:62atmgF228n5kU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sNidnTzTbak2vl3anZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>>> Eva wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
>>>> hope
>>>> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
>>>> plausible. No spoilers, please!
>>>
>>> I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
>>> replicators
>>> were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
>>>
>>
>> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.
>
> Either way, does he get to stay? Somehow I don't think so. It would be
> cruel for him to meet a bad end though. Again. Poor Rodney.
>
> Eva
> --
> Join the Stargate SG-1 SETI@home Team
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=30516
>
> "Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
> delusionals..."

Agreed. I hope Beckett 2.0 does stay.

Altho they may pull a Spidey-clone bit and we find out the Beckett we thot
was the original was a clone, the one who died, while the real one was in
jail.

Altho DS9 fans would scream bloody murder.

-- Ken from Chicago

"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-F38AD3.08190023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
>> In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
>>> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>>> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>>> > will
>>> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>>
>>> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the
>>> writers
>>> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>>> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>>
>> When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
>> replied 'the hell I can't'
>
>
> Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily, so she
> can leave at any time. I think for Teyla her people come first, even
> before Atlantis, and I believe that she would have left Atlantis if Sam
> had said no. And I think Sam knew it, which is why she didn't get all
> official on her. Plus, you just don't argue with a heavily pregant woman
> who is looking for the father of her child...
>
> Eva
> --
> Join the Stargate SG-1 SETI@home Team
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=30516
>
> "Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
> delusionals..."

Plus Teyla had only just interviewed to officially join SGA last episode.

-- Ken from Chicago

In article <62ah2nF22pjhjU1@mid.individual.net>,
eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk says...
> And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special' - I was so
> hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>
>

Forbid females actresses from having children when they work on a show -
either money or sleepless nights - you can't have both *g*

In article <62atepF21ucd0U1@mid.individual.net>,
eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk says...
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:t7ydnbceAphUkl3anZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> <snip>
>
> > I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
> > Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam, and Weir, rejected or
> > mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their
> > way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and /
> > or acceptance.
>
> Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)

Faroutgate ;)

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47c0584e$0$24100$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Andrew Venor wrote:
>
>> Last season Micheal did hold Beckett as a prisoner for awhile in the
>> episode Misbegotten. So he had the opportunity to run tests, take
>> samples, or even scan the good doctors brain.
> .
> .
> Here's a thought that's scary: The Beckett WE know was the clone, and
> this one is the original. If the writers wanted to be that convoluted, it
> be an incredibly easy thing to write...

Yep, the Spidey-clone saga.

-- Ken from Chicago

"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-370190.08174023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> In article <4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> > "The Kindred 1"
>> > 2-22-08 SGA
>> >
>> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>> >
>> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>>
>> 4
>>
>> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>> will
>> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>
>> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
>> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>> fake
>> out with the replicators.
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> I take it you haven't watched anything on Sci-Fi all week? I've seen
> the ending of Kindred a couple dozen times. The ads say YOU WON'T
> BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES or something and then they
> show pretty much the entire scene.
>
> --
> Star Trek 09:
>
> No Shat, No Show.

What ELSE is there to watch on Sci Fi?

-- Ken from Chicago

PV wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> writes:
>> That's the problem in the proverbial nutshell. If they do it right, the
>> answer every time is "there's nothing going on here" or at best "we have
>> no idea what's happening"
>
> Yep. *
..
..
Oh, I'm not saying they WERE scientific, just that at the end of the
day, MOST of their cases ended with "We can't prove anything."

The new show almost ALWAYS says "Its haunted."

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:52:20 -0600, Ryan P. wrote:

>
> +.5 for the potential complex Jewel Staite's character will develop at
> the prospect of the legendary Beckett returning and wanting to resume
> his medical duties.

Romance, marriage, and a family practice would be perfect. Maybe a spinoff
after SA ends.

Get rid of Teyla.

George Avalos wrote:
>
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George

I give it 5 Stars.


Fred Ellis
--
Who do you serve. . . . And who do you trust?
(To e-mail me, remove the X from my address)

So, am I the only one who expected the planet Hoth to be covered with ice
and snow?

maxx

Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:47C01792.EB528C0C@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>
>> Eva wrote:
>>
>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>>>>> "The Kindred 1"
>>>>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>>>>
>>>>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>>>>
>>>>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>>>>
>>>>> -George
>>>>>
>>>> 4
>>>>
>>>> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>>>> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
>>>> will
>>>> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>>> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
>>> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>>> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>>>
>>>> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
>>>> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise
>>>> ending.
>>>> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
>>>> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
>>>> fake
>>>> out with the replicators.
>>> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
>>> hope
>>> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
>>> plausible. No spoilers, please!
>> I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
>> replicators
>> were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
>>
>
> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>
My 7 y/o figures that CB didn't actually die, but at the second just
before the bomb exploded he was transported out by the Wraith beam onto
Michael's ship, and he's been forced to help Michael with his 'research'
ever since!!

She's a smart cookie, that one. I think she may be right! :-)

Maxx wrote:
> So, am I the only one who expected the planet Hoth to be covered with ice
> and snow?
>
> maxx
>
>
Hoff, not Hoth, LOL.

In article <47c0b87d$0$4931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote:

> PV wrote:
> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> writes:
> >> That's the problem in the proverbial nutshell. If they do it right, the
> >> answer every time is "there's nothing going on here" or at best "we have
> >> no idea what's happening"
> >
> > Yep. *
> .
> .
> Oh, I'm not saying they WERE scientific, just that at the end of the
> day, MOST of their cases ended with "We can't prove anything."
>
> The new show almost ALWAYS says "Its haunted."

gah

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

In article <47c0bf91$0$6491$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Maxx" <maddmaxx64@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> So, am I the only one who expected the planet Hoth to be covered with ice
> and snow?
>
> maxx

No, I was expecting The Hoff.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.

George Avalos wrote:
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>
>

4/5.

George Avalos wrote:
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>
> -George
>
>
4.25

Nice to see Todd, but wondered why he didn't mention
those Wraith getting all that intel about Midway from
him somehow?? Did he just fork it over? Did the Wraith
waterboard him? What?!

Sam finally telling Teyla after what, 9 months at least,
"Call me Sam"?

Nice to see John saying they owed Teyla for all her help
in the past despite the craziness of her requests concerning
looking for Kanaan and the Athosians.

Michael (new actor? What happened to Trip?) is back, and he
still has issues with Atlantis crew...has he done something already
to Teyla's son? Is he planning to do unpleasant things to him (ala
Adria on SG:1, supergrowth infant formula?)?

What's up with Rodney and kids lately? Is there some new rule that
says every new episode must have kid cameos for no real reason relating
to plot exposition?

And the so-called 'surprise' ending--thanks, Sciffy, for spilling the
beans on that one with multiple commercials during the week!! Would have
been more of a surprise, if, you know,
IT HAD BEEN A SURPRISE. D'oh.

In article <13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com>, georgeavalos0@yahoo.com
says...
> "The Kindred 1"
> 2-22-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>
> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)

2.5

In article <tdSdnSJU7urjq13anZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com>,
kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net says...
>
> "erilar" <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:drache-3A8392.08260323022008@news.airstreamcomm.net...
> > In article <13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com>,
> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "The Kindred 1"
> >> 2-22-08 SGA
> >>
> >> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >>
> >> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >>
> >> -George
> >
> > I think I'd better comment before I see what others have said this time.
> > I always have trouble with cliffhangers.
> >
> > Let's see. . . Teyla gets a decent part even though pregnant. Good.
> >
> > Michael is back as mad scientist. . . hmmmmm
>
> He's not mad. He's misunderstood. He's one of the good guys--like Benjamin
> Linus.

He seemed mad as well ;)

whodunit wrote:
> George Avalos wrote:
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>>
> 4.25
>
> Nice to see Todd, but wondered why he didn't mention
> those Wraith getting all that intel about Midway from
> him somehow?? Did he just fork it over? Did the Wraith
> waterboard him? What?!
..
..
They went over that. Todd's assistant stole the info from him.

> Michael (new actor? What happened to Trip?) is back, and he
> still has issues with Atlantis crew...has he done something already
> to Teyla's son? Is he planning to do unpleasant things to him (ala
> Adria on SG:1, supergrowth infant formula?)?
..
..
Was that a new actor? I didn't bother to watch the credits, but it
looked like Trip, only with a bit different makeup...
>
> What's up with Rodney and kids lately? Is there some new rule that
> says every new episode must have kid cameos for no real reason relating
> to plot exposition?
..
..
Maybe the producers are foreshadowing that Rodney is going to become a
daddy soon... maybe he'll be forced to adopt a kid or something.
>
> And the so-called 'surprise' ending--thanks, Sciffy, for spilling the
> beans on that one with multiple commercials during the week!! Would have
> been more of a surprise, if, you know,
> IT HAD BEEN A SURPRISE. D'oh.
..
..
Yeah... "You'll never believe what happens in the last five
minutes..." Well WHY the hell show us the ENTIRE scene in the
commercials if you are trying to tease us?!?

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47c0e4f8$0$7007$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> whodunit wrote:
>> George Avalos wrote:
>>> "The Kindred 1"
>>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>>
>>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>>
>>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>>
>>> -George
>>>
>> 4.25
>>
>> Nice to see Todd, but wondered why he didn't mention
>> those Wraith getting all that intel about Midway from
>> him somehow?? Did he just fork it over? Did the Wraith
>> waterboard him? What?!
> .
> .
> They went over that. Todd's assistant stole the info from him.
>
>> Michael (new actor? What happened to Trip?) is back, and he
>> still has issues with Atlantis crew...has he done something already
>> to Teyla's son? Is he planning to do unpleasant things to him (ala
>> Adria on SG:1, supergrowth infant formula?)?
> .
> .
> Was that a new actor? I didn't bother to watch the credits, but it
> looked like Trip, only with a bit different makeup...

Yes, that was Connor Trinneer playing Micheal again. I assume the makeup
was different in this episode because Micheal is now a Wrath/human hybred.

ALV

In article <in3wj.12252$Ch6.3916@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
whodunit@whodunit.net says...
> Maxx wrote:
> > So, am I the only one who expected the planet Hoth to be covered with ice
> > and snow?
> >
> > maxx
> >
> >
> Hoff, not Hoth, LOL.
>

As in Hasselhoff

On Feb 23, 8:58 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Eva wrote:
> > "A Watcher" <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> 4.3
>
> >> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always
> >> entertaining, especially Todd.
>
> > I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
> > that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
> > "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
> > white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was
> > very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
> > Todd's ship.
>
> > I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
> > him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
> > happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special'
> > - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>
> They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
> special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
> wraith genes.
>
> --
> JWH

I suspect that Teyla will give her child to Kate to raise him as its
own.

"jojo" <jojlolo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0f96ee55-f631-4744-9b18-b6b271670e51@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 23, 8:58 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Eva wrote:
> > "A Watcher" <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> 4.3
>
> >> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always
> >> entertaining, especially Todd.
>
> > I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
> > that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
> > "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
> > white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It was
> > very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
> > Todd's ship.
>
> > I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think creating
> > him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
> > happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is 'special'
> > - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>
> They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
> special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
> wraith genes.
>
> --
> JWH
~
~I suspect that Teyla will give her child to Kate to raise him as its
~own.

Teyla's baby is Aaron?

-- Ken from Chicago

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47c05d54$0$24115$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> George Avalos wrote:
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>
> 1 point off for the Daedulus having "slow motion" particle weapons. Not
> to mention particle weapons that suddenly stop at a certain distance.

Charged particles fired by magnetic repulsion could be slow.

> +.5 for seeing Michael onscreen shortly after our Usenet discussion about
> how the writer's probably forgot about Michael. I actually chuckled to
> myself over that one... I know, I'm a dork! Is Ford still alive? Maybe
> he'll make an appearance in part 2. It would complete the freak reunion.

Don't forget HybriWeir and RepliWeir.

> -.5 for having stray children in a scene for no apparant reason but to
> show a freaked out Rodney.

At least they weren't cats.

> +.5 for the potential complex Jewel Staite's character will develop at the
> prospect of the legendary Beckett returning and wanting to resume his
> medical duties.

Coolness if we get BOTH Becket and Kayle-er Keller.

-- Ken from Chicago

In article <r15wj.2711$pl4.1573@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
whodunit <whodunit@whodunit.net> wrote:

> George Avalos wrote:
> > "The Kindred 1"
> > 2-22-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >
> > -George
> >
> >
> 4.25
>
> Nice to see Todd, but wondered why he didn't mention
> those Wraith getting all that intel about Midway from
> him somehow??

They did mention it.

> Michael (new actor? What happened to Trip?)

Nope. Same actor.

In article <62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-F38AD3.08190023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> > In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> >> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
> >> > will
> >> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >>
> >> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> >> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> >> thankfully, that didn't happen.
> >
> > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> > replied 'the hell I can't'
>
>
> Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily,
> so she can leave at any time.

How? She's sitting on a planet in the middle of an ocean. And it's not
like she can use the gate without permission.

Ken from Chicago wrote:

> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:47C01792.EB528C0C@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >
> >
> > Eva wrote:
> >
> >> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> >
> >> > "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
> >> >> "The Kindred 1"
> >> >> 2-22-08 SGA
> >> >>
> >> >> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
> >> >>
> >> >> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
> >> >>
> >> >> -George
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > 4
> >> >
> >> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> >> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell
> >> > will
> >> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
> >>
> >> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the writers
> >> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
> >> thankfully, that didn't happen.
> >>
> >> > That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> >> > interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise
> >> > ending.
> >> > Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> >> > totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early
> >> > fake
> >> > out with the replicators.
> >>
> >> As soon as Michael said he'd had help, I knew it had to be Beckett. I
> >> hope
> >> that the explanation for his apparent existence will be more or less
> >> plausible. No spoilers, please!
> >
> > I'm betting on a replicator Beckett, since earlier this season, the
> > replicators
> > were killing humans to cut off the Wraith's food supply.
> >
>
> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.

The preview for "Kindred I" mentioned Teyla's visions leading her into a
replicator trap, so I assume that at least one replicator is involved!

"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:62atepF21ucd0U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:t7ydnbceAphUkl3anZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> <snip>
>
>> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
>> Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam,

I think his name was "Filth" or something similar.

>> and Weir, rejected or
>> mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various stargates, making their
>> way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find some kind of redemption and /
>> or acceptance.
>
> Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)
>
> Eva

"Fifth," yeah. I may have renamed him in my head because
I hated him so much.

--

Kel

"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4a6dnWjPy9dLm13anZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "George Avalos" <georgeavalos0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13rvhkbr1jh2142@news.supernews.com...
>> "The Kindred 1"
>> 2-22-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Julian Luna)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Eddie Fiore)
>>
>> -George
>>
>
> 4
>
> One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
> suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the frell will
> they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>
> That aside, nongeneric wraith, the ones with names, are much more
> interesting than the generic cannon fodder. And the big surprise ending.
> Wow, even tho it had been advertised at the start of the season, I had
> totally forgotten about ... Him ... especially since we had the early fake
> out with the replicators.

It *would* have been a mind-blowing ending, if they hadn't advertised it
like this: "DON'T miss the last five minutes of this week's Stargate Atlantis
because...like, oh my GAWD, it's gonna be SO SURPRISING!!!" <Cut
to "What took you so long?" scene, and RUIN ALL SUSPENSE!>

Thank Pesci that Sci-Fi wasn't in charge of promoting The Sixth Sense.

--

Kel

I would like to see Theyla converted into a wraith and become queen of the
hive and disappear from the show.

"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-AA36A8.07310424022008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:ANIM8Rfsk-F38AD3.08190023022008@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
>> > In article <62agttF21094mU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >> > One point off for--yet again--dismissing visions or the "out there"
>> >> > suspicions of one of the SGA team from dreams to rats. When the
>> >> > frell
>> >> > will
>> >> > they learn? If it's odd, check it out. Don't diminish it.
>> >>
>> >> Well, they got there in the end. I was worried for a bit that the
>> >> writers
>> >> would make Sam dismiss Teyla, which would make me really mad, but,
>> >> thankfully, that didn't happen.
>> >
>> > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
>> > replied 'the hell I can't'
>>
>>
>> Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily,
>> so she can leave at any time.
>
> How? She's sitting on a planet in the middle of an ocean. And it's not
> like she can use the gate without permission.


Are you suggesting that Sam would be so petty that she would refuse Teyla to
use the gate to leave? :-)

Ronon was ready to leave earlier in the season and although they were not
happy about it, nobody was saying "Forget it, if you want to leave, you'll
have to swim for it." Teyla's deal has always been that being on Atlantis
enabled her to fight for and to protect her people better than if she had
stayed with them. If that ceased to be the case, she would go back to them.
I don't see anyone in SGC or on Atlantis forcing her to stay against her
will.

Eva
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"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message

<snip>

>> > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
>> > replied 'the hell I can't'
>>
>>
>> Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily, so she
>> can
>> leave at any time.
>
> it's Sam's Stargate. She doesn't have to let her use it. And Teyla
> works for her, and has all SORTS of classified information.

That is the risk SGC take when they allow 'natives' to join. I am sure they
are aware of it, just as I am sure they realise the advantage of having
Teyla et al outweighs the small risk of them becoming a security risk.

> I think for Teyla her people come first, even before
>> Atlantis, and I believe that she would have left Atlantis if Sam had said
>> no. And I think Sam knew it, which is why she didn't get all official on
>> her. Plus, you just don't argue with a heavily pregant woman who is
>> looking
>> for the father of her child...
>
> I'm not saying Sam shouldn't have let her go; I'm saying it would have
> been nice if she'd made the point that she is in fact the boss before
> letting her go.

As I said in my other post, Teyla's situation is different from that of the
Stargate personnel. Sam could have said what you have suggested but, given
the situation, she would have known it would have been futile. As I see it,
she used her judgment not to get heavy-handed with Teyla; it's what I would
have done. I am sure Teyla knows who the boss is. :-)

Eva
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> Plus Teyla had only just interviewed to officially join SGA last episode.

What is with that? Are they just flexing their muscles?

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In article <atropos-AA36A8.07310424022008@news.giganews.com>,
atropos@mac.com says...


> > > When Teyla told Sam that Sam couldn't stop her, Sam really should have
> > > replied 'the hell I can't'
> >
> >
> > Hmm, I don't know. She *is* a civilian and is there voluntarily,
> > so she can leave at any time.
>
> How? She's sitting on a planet in the middle of an ocean. And it's not
> like she can use the gate without permission.

She ment that there is no legal way to stop her.

"DungeonRaider" <dngn_rdr@yahoooooooo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:58:05 -0500, jewahe <j.hanvey@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...only that Michael had
>>special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
>>wraith genes.
>
> I'm gonna leave some space, just in case my guess is right, but
> IMO.....
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> .
> .
>
> ... I reckon the child will have some of the Wraith Queen's
> conciousness from when Teyla entered her mind a few episodes back and
> the Wraith Queen detected the child's mind and she was still in
> contact when she died; perhaps the conciousness will be able to
> control the child or will have at least affected it somehow.



It better have Wraith Queen consciousness or something unique to Teyla to
make it worth the risk of kidnapping her instead of some random female who
doesn't have an army or Marines with advanced Earth/ancient tech to come
rescue her.

"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "jojo" <jojlolo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0f96ee55-f631-4744-9b18-b6b271670e51@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 8:58 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Eva wrote:
>> > "A Watcher" <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> >> 4.3
>>
>> >> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always
>> >> entertaining, especially Todd.
>>
>> > I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
>> > that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
>> > "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
>> > white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It
>> > was
>> > very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
>> > Todd's ship.
>>
>> > I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think
>> > creating
>> > him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
>> > happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is
>> > 'special'
>> > - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>>
>> They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...

True. Not yet, but there's still time. Michael seems to be treating it
like the missing link already.

> > ...only that Michael had
>> special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
>> wraith genes.
> ~
> ~I suspect that Teyla will give her child to Kate to raise him as its
> ~own.
>
> Teyla's baby is Aaron?

LOL! Not a bad choice, actually.

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"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:hbmdneJzu9ClxVzanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "jojo" <jojlolo@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0f96ee55-f631-4744-9b18-b6b271670e51@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 23, 8:58 pm, jewahe <j.han...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Eva wrote:
>>> > "A Watcher" <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:13rvhpj995bqeb9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> > <snip>
>>>
>>> >> 4.3
>>>
>>> >> A bit of a contrived plot, but Michael and Todd are always
>>> >> entertaining, especially Todd.
>>>
>>> > I have to say I have enjoyed episodes with Todd in them (or any Wraith
>>> > that got to be named); it breaks up the boredom. <g> I always like the
>>> > "working with the enemy" theme in any show, makes it less black and
>>> > white, and I think the writers have the balance about right here. It
>>> > was
>>> > very good to see Ronon standing very much on guard when they were in
>>> > Todd's ship.
>>>
>>> > I have never liked Michael though, it doesn't help that I think
>>> > creating
>>> > him was such a stupid thing to do, as was the whole episode where it
>>> > happened. And, as others have predicted here, Teyla's child is
>>> > 'special'
>>> > - I was so hoping they would *not* do this. Oh well, what can you do.
>>>
>>> They didn't say that Teyla's child was special...
>
> True. Not yet, but there's still time. Michael seems to be treating it
> like the missing link already.
>
>> > ...only that Michael had
>>> special plans for it. Likely because the boy will get a double dose of
>>> wraith genes.
>> ~
>> ~I suspect that Teyla will give her child to Kate to raise him as its
>> ~own.
>>
>> Teyla's baby is Aaron?
>
> LOL! Not a bad choice, actually.
>
> Eva

What's a better choice, Walt?

-- Ken from Chicago

"drifter" <rarely@home.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:62atepF21ucd0U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:t7ydnbceAphUkl3anZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
>>> Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam,
>
> I think his name was "Filth" or something similar.

LOL!

>>> and Weir, rejected or mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various
>>> stargates, making their way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find
>>> some kind of redemption and / or acceptance.
>>
>> Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)
>
> "Fifth," yeah. I may have renamed him in my head because I hated him so
> much.

So did I.

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"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "drifter" <rarely@home.net> wrote in message
> news:tvfwj.18$tz3.15@newsfe07.lga...
>>
>> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:62atepF21ucd0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t7ydnbceAphUkl3anZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I still would like to see a spin-off featuring SG renegades, Michael,
>>>> Baal, whatshisface replicator in wuv with Sam,
>>
>> I think his name was "Filth" or something similar.
>
> LOL!
>
>>>> and Weir, rejected or mistrusted by society, wandering thru the various
>>>> stargates, making their way thru a cold cruel galaxy, trying to find
>>>> some kind of redemption and / or acceptance.
>>>
>>> Stargate: Farscape of sorts? :-)
>>
>> "Fifth," yeah. I may have renamed him in my head because I hated him so
>> much.
>
> So did I.
>
> Eva

He's misunderstood--and betrayed.

-- Ken from Chicago

Tim Bruening wrote:

>> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.
>
> The preview for "Kindred I" mentioned Teyla's visions leading her into a
> replicator trap, so I assume that at least one replicator is involved!
..
..
You're right... I forgot about that line in the preview. So ether
Beckett is a replicator, or perhaps even Michael could be.

Ken from Chicago wrote:

>> 1 point off for the Daedulus having "slow motion" particle weapons. Not
>> to mention particle weapons that suddenly stop at a certain distance.
>
> Charged particles fired by magnetic repulsion could be slow.
..
..
At least all the particle weapons in the SG universe seem to fire in
slow motion... I can accept that they might not fire at or near the
speed of light, but unless these ships are a LOT larger than they
appear, they should be moving faster than the length of the ship every
1.5 seconds. Of course, there's no physical reason why we should even
be able to SEE a particle weapon in space (nothing to reflect the
light), so I guess I should stop being picky. :)

I DO like the pulse weapons the Wraith use...

> Don't forget HybriWeir and RepliWeir.
..
..
True... that'd be an interesting season finale.

>> +.5 for the potential complex Jewel Staite's character will develop at the
>> prospect of the legendary Beckett returning and wanting to resume his
>> medical duties.
>
> Coolness if we get BOTH Becket and Kayle-er Keller.
..
..
As long as I keep getting to look at her, I could care less about the
story line. ;)

In article
<70e8c047bc968ca3c14ea0b157206f94@msgid.frell.there mailer.net>,
A.T. Lantis <fritz@spamexpire-200802.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
wrote:

> I would like to see Theyla converted into a wraith and become queen of the
> hive and disappear from the show.

That would be fine.

--
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No Shat, No Show.

In article <47c1b05a$0$30676$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> >> I'm thinking a clone since Michael tends to work with organics.
> >
> > The preview for "Kindred I" mentioned Teyla's visions leading her into a
> > replicator trap, so I assume that at least one replicator is involved!
> .
> .
> You're right... I forgot about that line in the preview. So ether
> Beckett is a replicator, or perhaps even Michael could be.

Yeah, I waited the whole time for the replicator to show . . .

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In article <62dlkhF224209U1@mid.individual.net>,
eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk says...
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:bLCdnQ6wS8ur4F3anZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> <snip>
>
> > Plus Teyla had only just interviewed to officially join SGA last episode.
>
> What is with that? Are they just flexing their muscles?

New man at the top of the IOC

"Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <62aurbF22alkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Eva" <eva1removethis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ANIM8Rfsk-F38AD3.08190023022008@news.phx.highwi