View Full Version : TNG could have really used more time travel episodes.


02-25-2008, 10:15 PM
The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of the
atmosphere nearly often enough.

(Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf meets
his Son from the Future.)

Snake
02-25-2008, 10:24 PM
<a> wrote in message news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of the
> atmosphere nearly often enough.
>
> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
> meets his Son from the Future.)

ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)

If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this pattern
of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the downturn of
the franchise.

Kevin
02-25-2008, 10:47 PM
"Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> <a> wrote in message news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
>> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
>> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
>> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
>>
>> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
>> meets his Son from the Future.)
>
> ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
>
> If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
> pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
> downturn of the franchise.

While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek television
series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe that it
is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award should
go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or Voyager,
and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the film
in production at the time.

Robo-man
02-26-2008, 12:29 AM
"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> <a> wrote in message news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
>>> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
>>> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
>>> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
>>>
>>> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
>>> meets his Son from the Future.)
>>
>> ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
>>
>> If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
>> pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
>> downturn of the franchise.
>
> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
> television series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't
> believe that it is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise.
> That award should go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the
> same time, not developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space
> Nine or Voyager, and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the
> detriment of the film in production at the time.


Those last two movies were definitely the PITS.

Kweeg
02-26-2008, 11:41 AM
"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> > <a> wrote in message
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> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
fully
> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
> >>
> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
> >
> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
> >
> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
> > downturn of the franchise.
>
> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
television
> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe that it
> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
should
> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
Voyager,
> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the
film
> in production at the time.

Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended satisfactory
with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being in
the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as who can
forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.
--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Rageforthemachine
02-26-2008, 04:49 PM
<a> wrote in message news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of the
> atmosphere nearly often enough.
>
> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
> meets his Son from the Future.)
>
>
>

Don't worry Voyager more than made up for that.

Snake
02-26-2008, 08:45 PM
"Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
> or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
> satisfactory
> with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
> scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being in
> the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
> Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as who
> can
> forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.

I agree - DS9 and Voyager were pretty "wrapped up" at the end of their
series runs. Not many places left to go, IMHO. A movie based on either
would have been "dead in the water", as Scotty once said.

Kevin
02-26-2008, 11:03 PM
"Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:47c38684$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> > <a> wrote in message
> news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
> fully
>> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the
>> >> time
>> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
>> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
>> >>
>> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
>> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
>> >
>> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
>> >
>> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
>> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
>> > downturn of the franchise.
>>
>> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
> television
>> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe that
>> it
>> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
> should
>> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
>> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
> Voyager,
>> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the
> film
>> in production at the time.
>
> Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
> or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
> satisfactory
> with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
> scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being in
> the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
> Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as who
> can
> forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.

There wouldn't be a need to make a "reunion" movie from either DS9 or
Voyager. But there could have been a film made that could have taken
advantage of some of the great characters from those two series. When you
ask the actors from the two shows about this topic, you will get an earful.

Most, if not all of them are not happy about being basically tossed after
their respective series ended with no chance for a feature film part. Kate
Mulgrew got a tiny part in one of the last movies, but that was really only
about a half minute of screen time, so I discount that.

Not getting a feature film deal from Paramount is a really sore point with
these actors who have pretty much faded out of the scene. When was the last
time you saw Nana Visitor in a film?

Anybody
02-27-2008, 01:28 AM
In article <47c4e11a$0$10310$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Kevin"
<webman6@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:hjXwj.4024$pM4.1944@pd7urf1no...
> > "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:47c38be1$0$507$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> >>
> >> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> news:47c38684$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> > <a> wrote in message
> > news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
> > fully
> >> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the
> >> >> time
> >> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
> >> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
> >> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
> >> >
> >> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
> >> >
> >> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
> >> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
> >> > downturn of the franchise.
> >>
> >> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
> > television
> >> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe that
> >> it
> >> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
> > should
> >> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
> >> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
> > Voyager,
> >> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the
> > film
> >> in production at the time.
> >
> > Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
> > or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
> > satisfactory
> > with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
> > scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being in
> > the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
> > Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as who
> > can
> > forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.
>
> There wouldn't be a need to make a "reunion" movie from either DS9 or
> Voyager. But there could have been a film made that could have taken
> advantage of some of the great characters from those two series. When you
> ask the actors from the two shows about this topic, you will get an earful.
>
> Most, if not all of them are not happy about being basically tossed after
> their respective series ended with no chance for a feature film part. Kate
> Mulgrew got a tiny part in one of the last movies, but that was really only
> about a half minute of screen time, so I discount that.
>
> Not getting a feature film deal from Paramount is a really sore point with
> these actors who have pretty much faded out of the scene. When was the last
> time you saw Nana Visitor in a film?

Very few TV shows become a movie. Any actor taking the role on Voyager
or Deep Space Nine because they thought there would be a movie is
simply an idiot ... a greedy idiot at that.

I have seen Nana Visitor and some of the others in shows since their
Star Trek ones ended, but then how many actors do you see getting roles
in multiple shows?? Again very few. The vast majority of actors are
one-hit-wonders with only a handful ever making it to "the big time".

Kweeg
02-27-2008, 12:10 PM
"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:hjXwj.4024$pM4.1944@pd7urf1no...
> > "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:47c38be1$0$507$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> >>
> >> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> news:47c38684$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> > <a> wrote in message
> > news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
> > fully
> >> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the
> >> >> time
> >> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out
of
> >> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where
Worf
> >> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
> >> >
> >> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
> >> >
> >> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
> >> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of]
the
> >> > downturn of the franchise.
> >>
> >> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
> > television
> >> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe that
> >> it
> >> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
> > should
> >> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
> >> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
> > Voyager,
> >> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the
> > film
> >> in production at the time.
> >
> > Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
> > or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
> > satisfactory
> > with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
> > scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being
in
> > the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
> > Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as who
> > can
> > forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.
>
> There wouldn't be a need to make a "reunion" movie from either DS9 or
> Voyager. But there could have been a film made that could have taken
> advantage of some of the great characters from those two series. When you
> ask the actors from the two shows about this topic, you will get an
earful.
>
> Most, if not all of them are not happy about being basically tossed after
> their respective series ended with no chance for a feature film part.
Kate
> Mulgrew got a tiny part in one of the last movies, but that was really
only
> about a half minute of screen time, so I discount that.
>
> Not getting a feature film deal from Paramount is a really sore point with
> these actors who have pretty much faded out of the scene. When was the
last
> time you saw Nana Visitor in a film?

Then again these actors did work steadily for 7 years, and can milk the
convention circuit for the rest of their lives and not really have to act
again.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Kweeg
02-27-2008, 12:12 PM
"Anybody" <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
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> In article <47c4e11a$0$10310$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Kevin"
> <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:hjXwj.4024$pM4.1944@pd7urf1no...
> > > "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47c38be1$0$507$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> > >>
> > >> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:47c38684$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > >> > <a> wrote in message
> > > news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > >> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
> > > fully
> > >> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the
> > >> >> time
> > >> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted
out of
> > >> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where
Worf
> > >> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
> > >> >
> > >> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
> > >> >
> > >> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion,
this
> > >> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of]
the
> > >> > downturn of the franchise.
> > >>
> > >> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
> > > television
> > >> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe
that
> > >> it
> > >> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
> > > should
> > >> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time,
not
> > >> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
> > > Voyager,
> > >> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of
the
> > > film
> > >> in production at the time.
> > >
> > > Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
> > > or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
> > > satisfactory
> > > with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
> > > scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf
being in
> > > the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
> > > Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as
who
> > > can
> > > forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.
> >
> > There wouldn't be a need to make a "reunion" movie from either DS9 or
> > Voyager. But there could have been a film made that could have taken
> > advantage of some of the great characters from those two series. When
you
> > ask the actors from the two shows about this topic, you will get an
earful.
> >
> > Most, if not all of them are not happy about being basically tossed
after
> > their respective series ended with no chance for a feature film part.
Kate
> > Mulgrew got a tiny part in one of the last movies, but that was really
only
> > about a half minute of screen time, so I discount that.
> >
> > Not getting a feature film deal from Paramount is a really sore point
with
> > these actors who have pretty much faded out of the scene. When was the
last
> > time you saw Nana Visitor in a film?
>
> Very few TV shows become a movie. Any actor taking the role on Voyager
> or Deep Space Nine because they thought there would be a movie is
> simply an idiot ... a greedy idiot at that.

Yep and Anybody knows idiots and wanting to make money makes one gready.


> I have seen Nana Visitor and some of the others in shows since their
> Star Trek ones ended, but then how many actors do you see getting roles
> in multiple shows?? Again very few. The vast majority of actors are
> one-hit-wonders with only a handful ever making it to "the big time".

Yep and Anybody knows TV too, he's always right, he speaks for "All True
Fans."

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Benjamin Pavsner
02-27-2008, 04:03 PM
There was so much more to the downturn in the franchise than any one plot
device being overused. It was having no inherent structure to the Trekverse,
for starters. It was about a season in before Roddenberry finally settled on
"Star Fleet" as the oranization that Kirk and Co. worked for. It wasn't
until "Neuteral Zone" (TNG's season one finale) until we get a specific date
of when the Trekverse was happening (Roddenberry initially put Star Trek as
being "close enough so people can identify with the characters but far
enough in the future for warp speeds and interstellar travel to be
plausable"). Plus the fact, which I think gets overlooked, is the fact the
Voyager and Enterprise weren't syndicated. Since TNG and DS9 were
syndicated, they'd appear at different times in different markets, lessining
the chance of, say, TNG, HAVING to go against NBC's Thursday night's lineup
of CBS' Monday night's lineup or even Monday Night Football.
"Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> <a> wrote in message news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to fully
>> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the time
>> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out of
>> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
>>
>> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where Worf
>> meets his Son from the Future.)
>
> ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
>
> If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
> pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of] the
> downturn of the franchise.
>

Benjamin Pavsner
02-27-2008, 06:17 PM
Er, does what Kate Mulgrew, Robert Beltran or Avery Brooks did REALLY
qualify as acting, per se, or just reading the lines on the page?
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> "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Kweeg" <kweeg@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>> > "Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> "Snake" <fluidSPAMstates_no+spam@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:47c38684$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> >> > <a> wrote in message
>> > news:6-qdnV3rKs2tGV7anZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >> The tiny ratio of 50% time travel episodes simply wasn't enough to
>> > fully
>> >> >> mine the rich lode of absurdity and unbelievability offered by the
>> >> >> time
>> >> >> travel genre. My suspension of disbelief simply wasn't blasted out
> of
>> >> >> the atmosphere nearly often enough.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (Pardon the sarcasm, I just got done watching "Bloodlines" where
> Worf
>> >> >> meets his Son from the Future.)
>> >> >
>> >> > ROFL. Isn't that the truth ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > If B&B's reign ever goes down in history books in some fashion, this
>> >> > pattern of storytelling would certainly be marked as [the cause of]
> the
>> >> > downturn of the franchise.
>> >>
>> >> While I certainly agree that the use of time travel in Star Trek
>> > television
>> >> series and movies was, to put it mildly, overused, I don't believe
>> >> that
>> >> it
>> >> is the reason for the demise of the Star Trek franchise. That award
>> > should
>> >> go to Paramount for running two Star Trek series at the same time, not
>> >> developing a Star Trek movie based on the series Deep Space Nine or
>> > Voyager,
>> >> and rushing the movies they did wind up making to the detriment of the
>> > film
>> >> in production at the time.
>> >
>> > Movies based on DS9 or Voyager? Didn't DS9 and Voyager "finish?"
>> > or was that just me thinking DS9 (as much as I liked it) ended
>> > satisfactory
>> > with no need to come up with some absurd reason to get the crew that
>> > scattered to the 4 winds back together again .... sorta like Worf being
> in
>> > the last 2 TNG movies or all of Voyager's crew, some of them not even
>> > Starfleet, staying together after they got home after 7 years... as
>> > who
>> > can
>> > forget that oh so great finale with the Borg/timetravel/Klingons.
>>
>> There wouldn't be a need to make a "reunion" movie from either DS9 or
>> Voyager. But there could have been a film made that could have taken
>> advantage of some of the great characters from those two series. When
>> you
>> ask the actors from the two shows about this topic, you will get an
> earful.
>>
>> Most, if not all of them are not happy about being basically tossed after
>> their respective series ended with no chance for a feature film part.
> Kate
>> Mulgrew got a tiny part in one of the last movies, but that was really
> only
>> about a half minute of screen time, so I discount that.
>>
>> Not getting a feature film deal from Paramount is a really sore point
>> with
>> these actors who have pretty much faded out of the scene. When was the
> last
>> time you saw Nana Visitor in a film?
>
> Then again these actors did work steadily for 7 years, and can milk the
> convention circuit for the rest of their lives and not really have to act
> again.
>
> --
>
> Qapla'
> Kweeg
> Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
> "Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
> 1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
> "So say we all!"
>
>

George Peatty
02-27-2008, 07:23 PM
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:17:11 -0500, "Benjamin Pavsner"
<pavsnerp@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Er, does what Kate Mulgrew, Robert Beltran or Avery Brooks did REALLY
>qualify as acting, per se, or just reading the lines on the page?

Some of what they did was very good. Beltran, obviously, lost interest
about the time Ryan joined the cast. Brooks had rather limited range as an
actor, but Mulgrew had some good moments as Janeway ..