Discussion Question: Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
Chronicles?

Tony wrote:
> Discussion Question: Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
> Chronicles?

Leto II and Dur, for starters. But, Mayhap Dur was an offshoot of Leto
II. Can't recall.....

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"Wild Monkshood" <Wild_Monkshood@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> Tony wrote:
>> Discussion Question: Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
>> Chronicles?
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> Leto II and Dur, for starters. But, Mayhap Dur was an offshoot of Leto II.
> Can't recall.....
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Let me ask, didn't the Rakian priests think that Paul's first son was a god,
also? Perhaps an incarnation of Leto II.

Tony wrote:

> "Wild Monkshood" <Wild_Monkshood@windstream.net> wrote in message
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>>Tony wrote:
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>>>Discussion Question: Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
>>>Chronicles?
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>>Leto II and Dur, for starters. But, Mayhap Dur was an offshoot of Leto II.
>>Can't recall.....
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> Let me ask, didn't the Rakian priests think that Paul's first son was a god,
> also? Perhaps an incarnation of Leto II.

Something along those lines. Stiros is challenging the Head Priest
Hedley Tuek and he admonishes him by putting the holy three in their
proper order, saying that his Father settled that before, or some such...

WM


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"Wild Monkshood" <Wild_Monkshood@windstream.net> wrote in message news
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> Tony wrote:
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>> "Wild Monkshood" <Wild_Monkshood@windstream.net> wrote in message
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>>>Tony wrote:
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>>>>Discussion Question: Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
>>>>Chronicles?
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>>>Leto II and Dur, for starters. But, Mayhap Dur was an offshoot of Leto
>>>II. Can't recall.....
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>> Let me ask, didn't the Rakian priests think that Paul's first son was a
>> god, also? Perhaps an incarnation of Leto II.
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> Something along those lines. Stiros is challenging the Head Priest Hedley
> Tuek and he admonishes him by putting the holy three in their proper
> order, saying that his Father settled that before, or some such...
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Do you remember who the holy three were? Was it Paul's first son, the God
Emperor, and the Divided God?

On Feb 26, 5:17 pm, "Tony" <t...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Discussion Question:  Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
> Chronicles?

Shai-Hulud, if I recall correctly, was the name for God in the worms,
while Shaitan was the devil. God was oft referenced, but in a stand-
offish way, rarely in the current monotheistic view. Even the Jewish
sect in Heretics were very pragmatic about God and Jesus. Leto II was
the living god. Was there any true polytheism akin to, say, Hinduism
or Greek mythology? I can't seem to recall any.

"Unfeign" <chris.mocella@gmail.com> wrote -

Shai-Hulud, if I recall correctly, was the name for God in the worms,
while Shaitan was the devil. God was oft referenced, but in a stand-
offish way, rarely in the current monotheistic view. Even the Jewish
sect in Heretics were very pragmatic about God and Jesus. Leto II was
the living god. Was there any true polytheism akin to, say, Hinduism
or Greek mythology? I can't seem to recall any.

Tony replied:

According to the Dune Appendix II, the so called Ancient Teachings included
the "Hindu outcroppings found all over the universe in little pockets. . ."
In addition, the Ancient Teachings included the Navachristianity of Chusuk.
However, the nature of these Christian beliefs was not elaborated in any
significant detail that I can recall.

On Feb 26, 6:17 pm, "Tony" <t...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Discussion Question:  Who were some of the gods identified in the Dune
> Chronicles?

Shai-halud
Shaitan
Leto
The Prophet.

http://groups.google.com/group/science-fiction-technology

The Great Mother
Shai-Hulud (Fremen deity)
Abu Dhur, Father of the Indefinite Roads of Time (Fremen deity?)
The Gods Below that Leto and others invoke (just a phrase?)
The God Emperor
The God of the Bene Tleilax (Not = The Prophet = Leto)
The Divided God of the Rakian priesthood
The Great God Dur/Guldur (Leto as God in the Scattering; there are
also references to "the Gods of Dur" ??)

Was Shaitan really a god-level entity?

The BT honor Leto as The Prophet, but do they deify him?

What about the Cult of Alia, do you think they deified her, or did she
remain but a saint to them?

Finally (for now), Holy Sheeana, anyone? :)

"SandChigger" <sandchigger@mac.com> wrote in message news:

> The Great Mother
> Shai-Hulud (Fremen deity)
> Abu Dhur, Father of the Indefinite Roads of Time (Fremen deity?)
> The Gods Below that Leto and others invoke (just a phrase?)
> The God Emperor
> The God of the Bene Tleilax (Not = The Prophet = Leto)
> The Divided God of the Rakian priesthood
> The Great God Dur/Guldur (Leto as God in the Scattering; there are
> also references to "the Gods of Dur" ??)
>
> Was Shaitan really a god-level entity?

Yes.

> The BT honor Leto as The Prophet, but do they deify him?

No.

> What about the Cult of Alia, do you think they deified her, or did she
> remain but a saint to them?
>

I had the impression she remained a saint. However, we should consider the
following quotation:

"There exists no separation between gods and men: one blends softly casual
into
the other."

-Proverbs of Muad'dib

http://www.wattpad.com/3998-Dune-Messiah-book-2-by-Frank-Herbert

> Finally (for now), Holy Sheeana, anyone? :)

What about Norma Cenva as she was depicted in BJH and KA's sequels?
Wasn't she on the level of a god? She was worshipped by the Guild,
incorporeal, immortal, and all-powerful.

On Jun 3, 3:18 pm, Stinky <awlecl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What about Norma Cenva as she was depicted in BJH and KA's sequels?
> Wasn't she on the level of a god?  She was worshipped by the Guild,
> incorporeal, immortal, and all-powerful.

BLASPHEMY!

On Jun 4, 1:23 pm, Freakzilla <jl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jun 3, 3:18 pm, Stinky <awlecl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > What about Norma Cenva as she was depicted in BJH and KA's sequels?
> > Wasn't she on the level of a god?  She was worshipped by the Guild,
> > incorporeal, immortal, and all-powerful.
>
> BLASPHEMY!

I agree. I'm not a fan of Norma Cenva and I particularly hate her
depiction in the sequels. IMO, she makes both the Kwisatz Haderach
breeding program and the Golden Path pointless.

On Jun 4, 4:18 am, Stinky <awlecl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What about Norma Cenva as she was depicted in BJH and KA's sequels?
> Wasn't she on the level of a god?  She was worshipped by the Guild,
> incorporeal, immortal, and all-powerful.

In their fanfic, yeah, she's a god, although I think they would object
to that characterization.

In the REAL Duniverse, however, she was just a smart cookie who
designed a foldship for a spice-junky human pilot and then let her
husband take the credit for it.

Hopefully she was worshipped somewhat by him and by their children. ;)

On Jun 5, 6:56 pm, SandChigger <sandchig...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:18 am, Stinky <awlecl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Norma Cenva as she was depicted in BJH and KA's sequels?
> > Wasn't she on the level of a god?  She was worshipped by the Guild,
> > incorporeal, immortal, and all-powerful.
>
> In their fanfic, yeah, she's a god, although I think they would object
> to that characterization.
>
> In the REAL Duniverse, however, she was just a smart cookie who
> designed a foldship for a spice-junky human pilot and then let her
> husband take the credit for it.
>
> Hopefully she was worshipped somewhat by him and by their children. ;)

I liked Norma in the prequel novels, although I liked her less when
she became a beautiful Amazonian who had powers that neither Paul nor
Leto II had possessed (for example, she could heal herself at-will).
But I totally hated KJA and BH's depiction of her in the sequels,
which almost ruined those books IMO.

Stinky suspended his/her disbelief to unbelievable levels & said, on
24/07/2008 23:44:
> I liked Norma in the prequel novels, although I liked her less when
> she became a beautiful Amazonian who had powers that neither Paul nor
> Leto II had possessed (for example, she could heal herself at-will).
>
Makes me wonder what attributes she'd have to possess to make you like
her even less than less. The ability to kill by fart-power? Actually,
that's something for those two idiots to consider in future installments.
>
> But I totally hated KJA and BH's depiction of her in the sequels,
> which almost ruined those books IMO.
>
Almost? They're a festering pile of shite. To paraphrase the great Mark
Twain, their covers are too far apart.

Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:

> Stinky suspended his/her disbelief to unbelievable levels & said, on
> 24/07/2008 23:44:
>
>> I liked Norma in the prequel novels, although I liked her less when
>> she became a beautiful Amazonian who had powers that neither Paul nor
>> Leto II had possessed (for example, she could heal herself at-will).
>
> >
> Makes me wonder what attributes she'd have to possess to make you like
> her even less than less. The ability to kill by fart-power? Actually,
> that's something for those two idiots to consider in future installments.
> >
>
>> But I totally hated KJA and BH's depiction of her in the sequels,
>> which almost ruined those books IMO.
>
> >
> Almost? They're a festering pile of shite. To paraphrase the great Mark
> Twain, their covers are too far apart.

Festering Piles of Shite everywhere roar their disapproval at the
comparison. Was it Virginia Woolf who said of a novel, "I couldn't put
it down.........Fast enough"?

WM

Wild Monkshood couldn't put it down fast enough, on 25/07/2008 03:28:
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> Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:
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>> Almost? They're a festering pile of shite. To paraphrase the great
>> Mark Twain, their covers are too far apart.
>
> Festering Piles of Shite everywhere roar their disapproval at the
> comparison. Was it Virginia Woolf who said of a novel, "I couldn't put
> it down.........Fast enough"?
>

It probably was. Reminds me of Brit comedian Dennis Pennis reviewing
some Hollywood blockbuster or other ......... "I was tied to my seat. If
I wasn't, I'd have left". Something I know Woolf *did* say is "a woman
must have money and a room of her own if she is to write fiction".
Applying that logic to Kev and Bri, they must be both penniless and
homeless.

Read the two "customer reviews" of the classical-music book "Penetrating
Wagner's Ring" (http://tinyurl.com/6psgcj). Genius, though the humour
could be too "British" for some.

Humour too British?!

Nonsense! There's no such thing! :D