He did it.

No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
began.

It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
passion.

Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
can be, and we must be, better than that.
The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"

"Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
correctness or reverse racism."

And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
tomorrow."

Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
It was not hyperbole.

If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
should be used in American politics.

In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
ourselves and with all nations."

http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_full_court_press_01.php

On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
>
> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> can be, and we must be, better than that.
> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> correctness or reverse racism."
>
> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> tomorrow."
>
> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
>
> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> should be used in American politics.
>
> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> ourselves and with all nations."
>
> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...

He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.

Kathy Bush <Barack2k8@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d14756fc-72cb-403e-89d9-1cfd132bf7a3@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> He did it.

He certainly tells a good yarn and much to my surprise Senator
Obamarx approved of the lifeline the Fed tossed what used to be
Bear Stearns.

IBM

"trijcomm" <trijcomm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
>
> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> can be, and we must be, better than that.
> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> correctness or reverse racism."
>
> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> tomorrow."
>
> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
>
> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> should be used in American politics.
>
> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> ourselves and with all nations."
>
> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...

| He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
| about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
| church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
| going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
| And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
| Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
| McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
| Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.

He'd probably say take your yankee political **** the **** out of
sci.physics,
you cross-posting cretin.

Kathy Bush wrote:
>
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.

No other candidate has had an IQ in triple digits and a blue-collar
wife sharing his humble origins. Buying groceries, pumping gas, and
being spat upon colors one's perception of the electorate.

> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
[snip apologia]

Crap. Obama is an opportunist crook like all of them. The
differenece is that Obama is not noblesse oblige stupid about it.
Come 04 November 2008 it is incompetent fascists, corporatists, and
double-digit IQ christ-besotted jackasses against bleeding heart
Liberals, welfare pimps, Enviro-whiners, feminazis, and ***** Nation.
Choose wisely.

> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage,"
[snip more crap]

Hitler saved 1938 Germany from what Bush the Lesser is fatally
plunging America. Hitler was a brilliant politician and a brilliant
warrior. His fetish with Jews emptied Germany of its finest minds in
science, engineering, law, finance, business, philosophy.... Though
good in the trenches he wasn't much of a general. His external
politics - going for Moscow late in the year as a conquerer rather
than the Caucasus for oil as a liberator; Japan - was deficient. Even
so, he would have united Europe and England into an economic giant and
stopped Sovietism worldwide had the US not intervened. Joseph Kennedy
was hot to embrace Nazi Germany. The man knew profit when he saw it -
one outstanding Mick and so many of his lessers.

> and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa

I know emigre South Africans. Given the chance they would exterminate
2/3 of the black bastards and enslave the rest, re-establishing
civilization in sub-Saharan Africa. You do know that Zulus and the
rest are not native to the area, right? They migrated rather than
stay amongst Blacks like themselves. We have the same problem with
Mexicans - only held back by conflict split three ways amongst White
politics, La Raza, and the Church of Rome. Race war is coming -
reproductive warriors claiming what is theirs to take, jus as in South
Africa.

> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV.

Taking heads are not intelligent. Talking heads are told what to say
about important issues from on high. How they say it is their call.
Nobody gives **** one how many Mexicans or Blacks were cut down in
mean streets today - dog bites man. Have a picnic with local news.

> When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
[snip rest of crap]

It was parabole. Look it up - it's the correct adjective, idiot.

Virulent racist Uncle Al is voting for the ****** come 04 November.
At the very least it will be amusing to see what great forces bid for
his soul - and how much they offer, brother.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

What is it you are trying to proof here. Obama has every right to voice his
opinion about the past. Little do we know why he was a member of this church
and from what age on. It is about time blacks in America do get an honest
chance. No matter what color or race he is. Everyone deserve an honest
chance. We are all human beings.
Kurt Knoll.

"trijcomm" <trijcomm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
>
> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> can be, and we must be, better than that.
> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> correctness or reverse racism."
>
> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> tomorrow."
>
> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
>
> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> should be used in American politics.
>
> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> ourselves and with all nations."
>
> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...

He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.

"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
news:FyYDj.30968$M9.6626@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>
> "trijcomm" <trijcomm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He did it.
>>
>> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
>> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
>> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
>> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
>> began.
>>
>> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
>> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
>> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
>> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
>> passion.
>>
>> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
>> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
>> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
>> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
>> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
>> can be, and we must be, better than that.
>> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
>> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
>> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
>> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
>> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>>
>> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
>> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
>> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
>> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
>> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
>> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
>> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
>> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
>> correctness or reverse racism."
>>
>> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
>> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
>> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
>> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
>> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
>> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
>> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
>> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
>> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
>> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
>> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
>> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
>> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
>> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
>> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
>> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
>> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
>> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
>> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
>> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
>> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
>> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
>> tomorrow."
>>
>> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
>> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
>> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
>> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
>> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
>> It was not hyperbole.
>>
>> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
>> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
>> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
>> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
>> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
>> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
>> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
>> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
>> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
>> should be used in American politics.
>>
>> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
>> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
>> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
>> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
>> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>>
>> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
>> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
>> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
>> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
>> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
>> ourselves and with all nations."
>>
>> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
>
> | He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
> | about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
> | church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
> | going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
> | And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
> | Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
> | McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
> | Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.
>
> He'd probably say take your yankee political **** the **** out of
> sci.physics,
> you cross-posting cretin.

If you really meant it you would have removed sci.physics from the newsgroup
list...

LG ("dumb" ol' RSPWer)
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll3@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YuZDj.95284$pM4.20688@pd7urf1no:

> What is it you are trying to proof here. Obama has every right to voice
> his opinion about the past. Little do we know why he was a member of
> this church and from what age on. It is about time blacks in America do
> get an honest chance. No matter what color or race he is. Everyone
> deserve an honest chance. We are all human beings.


Yes we are all human beings, but the knoll family is famous for it's lies.
In fact you insist that in one single air-raid on Nuremberg 45000 people
died, despite being given proof to the contrary.

Why should anyone listen to what a two-faced parasite who ran away from
germany in 1945?


> Kurt Knoll.
>
> "trijcomm" <trijcomm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He did it.
>>
>> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
>> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
>> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
>> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
>> began.
>>
>> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
>> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
>> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white
>> racism-- and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them
>> with equal passion.
>>
>> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
>> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
>> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
>> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
>> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
>> can be, and we must be, better than that.
>> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
>> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
>> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
>> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
>> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>>
>> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
>> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
>> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
>> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
>> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
>> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
>> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
>> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
>> correctness or reverse racism."
>>
>> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
>> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
>> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
>> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
>> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
>> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
>> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
>> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
>> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
>> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
>> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
>> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
>> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
>> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
>> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
>> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
>> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
>> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
>> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
>> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
>> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
>> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
>> tomorrow."
>>
>> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
>> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
>> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
>> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
>> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
>> It was not hyperbole.
>>
>> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
>> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
>> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
>> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
>> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
>> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
>> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
>> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
>> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
>> should be used in American politics.
>>
>> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
>> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
>> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
>> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
>> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>>
>> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
>> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
>> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
>> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
>> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
>> ourselves and with all nations."
>>
>>
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
>
> He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
> about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
> church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
> going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
> And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
> Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
> McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
> Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.
>
>
>



--
Like Minded Mates
Reading from Mein Kampf
Snuggling by the fire
He shares his deepest thoughts
Holding him close
My Aryan warrior
A warm bath
Then the lights go out

Ben Cramer
Copyright ©2007 Ben Cramer

Kathy Bush wrote:

> He did it.

What Obama did was present the nastiest racist diatribe in the nicest way.

"Roy Jose Lorr" <kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3didncVz9L7c6X3anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Kathy Bush wrote:
>
>> He did it.
>
> What Obama did was present the nastiest racist diatribe in the nicest way.

This may just top Newt's "He gave the right speech on the wrong topic."
line.

LG
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:44:08 -0700, Kathy Bush wrote:

> He did it.
>
I'm not sure that proves he's a cylon, but it might count as evidence.

Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:

>
> "Roy Jose Lorr" <kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3didncVz9L7c6X3anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>> Kathy Bush wrote:
>>
>>> He did it.
>>
>>
>> What Obama did was present the nastiest racist diatribe in the nicest
>> way.
>
>
> This may just top Newt's "He gave the right speech on the wrong topic."
> line.

That too.

On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What is it you are trying to proof here. Obama has every right to voice his
> opinion about the past. Little do we know why he was a member of this church
> and from what age on. It is about time blacks in America do get an honest
> chance. No matter what color  or race he is. Everyone deserve an honest
> chance. We are all human beings.
> Kurt Knoll.
>
> "trijcomm" <trijc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > He did it.
>
> > No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> > speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> > campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> > race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> > began.
>
> > It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> > black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> > can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> > and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> > passion.
>
> > Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> > the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> > right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> > those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> > did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> > can be, and we must be, better than that.
> > The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> > prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> > immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> > flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> > in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> > "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> > resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> > helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> > over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> > Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> > ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> > careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> > discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> > correctness or reverse racism."
>
> > And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> > example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> > face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> > effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> > written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> > dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> > wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> > person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> > himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> > But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> > repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> > much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> > view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> > Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> > said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> > progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> > possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> > the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> > rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> > past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> > That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> > gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> > tomorrow."
>
> > Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> > Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> > most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> > declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> > speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> > It was not hyperbole.
>
> > If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> > first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> > America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> > what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> > we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> > scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> > common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> > that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> > candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> > should be used in American politics.
>
> > In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> > echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> > understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> > embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> > peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> > "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> > right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> > work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> > shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> > all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> > ourselves and with all nations."
>
> >http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
>
> He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
> about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
> church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
> going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
> And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
> Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
> McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
> Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Imagine if in another time, a bundist said "I reject Der Fuhrer but I
will not renounce him. he is part of my family." What would have been
the reaction of the liberal press?

On Mar 18, 6:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
>
> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> can be, and we must be, better than that.
> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> correctness or reverse racism."
>
> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> tomorrow."
>
> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
>
> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> should be used in American politics.
>
> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> ourselves and with all nations."
>
> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...

Actually, he should have stuck with the first part of his speech,
which was beautifully written by someone of the save clerness of. Ms.
Kathy Noonan, who wrote Regan's speeches. Eveyone applaud the fire
half of the speech. Some secondary loser evidently wrote the second
half of the speech, and to most people it fell flat on its face. It
fell flat on its face because too much time was wasted on fictious 9-
year old kid who make the reamkable sacrafice of eating "mustard and
relish" sandwitches to save the mother money.

Now many people will not realize what the terrible slip this was, but
it really hit home with most us who were working our way though our
first college degree in the early 1960. What Mr. Obama does not seem
to realize, was the daily meal for us.Us guys in Phliadelphiia, where
he made his desperate speech were sitting at Littons resturant, and
putting mouns of pickles, reliish and mustard on the thin sliced
hamburger that were seved to us, simply to get us, barely enough
nutrician to get through another day day of study at Drexel, let alone
Priceton and Harvard.
I seriously doubt that Mr. Obama has ever gone though this exerience,
and evidenly is a child of wealth, so how dare he even raise this
issue!

I perasonallly belive that even beyone his rather bizarre religion,
Mr. Obama is hiding quite a bit more fact. Things like, where did all
this mony suddely emerge? How did he suddendly emerge in life as a US
Senator, rather than a state repl Things voters want and need to
know, and quite honest seem rather mysterious.

Harry C.

It is a good post but why put it on these lists?
It is both sad and inspiring that Obama is the best hope America has
for coming together and healing.
Obama will make a great President.

Have a nice vegetarian day!


On Mar 18, 11:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.
>
> Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> can be, and we must be, better than that.
> The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> correctness or reverse racism."
>
> And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> tomorrow."
>
> Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> It was not hyperbole.
>
> If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> should be used in American politics.
>
> In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> ourselves and with all nations."
>
> http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...

Kathy Bush wrote:

> He did it.
>
> No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> began.
>
> It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> passion.

Obama is not responsible for Wright's Wrongs.

The Muslims would have attacked us even if we never had slavery in the
U.S. The goal of Islam is to eliminate all non-Islamic thought or
reduce it to dhimmitude.

Bob Kolker

Uncle Al wrote:


>
> Crap. Obama is an opportunist crook like all of them. The
> differenece is that Obama is not noblesse oblige stupid about it.
> Come 04 November 2008 it is incompetent fascists, corporatists, and
> double-digit IQ christ-besotted jackasses against bleeding heart
> Liberals, welfare pimps, Enviro-whiners, feminazis, and ***** Nation.
> Choose wisely.

Jesus Al, you make Obama sound like the lesser evil.

Jefferson warned us about the consequences of slavery. Come the day
after election, the jig will be up.

Bob Kolker

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
>
> Uncle Al wrote:
>
> >
> > Crap. Obama is an opportunist crook like all of them. The
> > differenece is that Obama is not noblesse oblige stupid about it.
> > Come 04 November 2008 it is incompetent fascists, corporatists, and
> > double-digit IQ christ-besotted jackasses against bleeding heart
> > Liberals, welfare pimps, Enviro-whiners, feminazis, and ***** Nation.
> > Choose wisely.
>
> Jesus Al, you make Obama sound like the lesser evil.
>
> Jefferson warned us about the consequences of slavery. Come the day
> after election, the jig will be up.

Obama is not yet purchased. Make him President. It will be
interesting to see who bids and how much. The others are too
loathsome for words.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

On Mar 18, 8:44 pm, Al Nakba <williamhubb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What is it you are trying to proof here. Obama has every right to voice his
> > opinion about the past. Little do we know why he was a member of this church
> > and from what age on. It is about time blacks in America do get an honest
> > chance. No matter what color or race he is. Everyone deserve an honest
> > chance. We are all human beings.
> > Kurt Knoll.
>
> > "trijcomm" <trijc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7c859f85-949e-4e06-ad29-e8f0942a464d@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 18, 5:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > He did it.
>
> > > No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> > > speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> > > campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> > > race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> > > began.
>
> > > It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> > > black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> > > can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> > > and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> > > passion.
>
> > > Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> > > the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> > > right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> > > those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> > > did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> > > can be, and we must be, better than that.
> > > The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> > > prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> > > immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> > > flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> > > in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> > > "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> > > resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> > > helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> > > over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> > > Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> > > ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> > > careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> > > discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> > > correctness or reverse racism."
>
> > > And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> > > example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> > > face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> > > effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> > > written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> > > dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> > > wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> > > person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> > > himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> > > But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> > > repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> > > much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> > > view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> > > Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> > > said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> > > progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> > > possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> > > the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> > > rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> > > past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> > > That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> > > gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> > > tomorrow."
>
> > > Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> > > Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> > > most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> > > declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> > > speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> > > It was not hyperbole.
>
> > > If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> > > first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> > > America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> > > what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> > > we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> > > scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> > > common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> > > that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> > > candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> > > should be used in American politics.
>
> > > In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> > > echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> > > understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> > > embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> > > peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> > > "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> > > right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> > > work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> > > shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> > > all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> > > ourselves and with all nations."
>
> > >http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
>
> > He can spout all the platitudes he wants, but for all of the talk
> > about healing race issues he still didn't say why he stuck around in a
> > church that preached the very hate he decries for 20 years. This isn't
> > going away anytime soon. At best, it shows his lack of good judgment.
> > And at worst, it shows he feels at home with the hatred of Jeremiah
> > Wright -- the same Wright who gave an award to an anti-semite. If John
> > McCain attended a church for 20 years that gave an award to David
> > Duke, I wonder what Obama would say.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Imagine if in another time, a bundist said "I reject Der Fuhrer but I
> will not renounce him. he is part of my family." What would have been
> the reaction of the liberal press?

Good job Godwinning the thread in record time. There's a great deal
of difference between saying that the American government is complicit
in the situation of underprivileged blacks (which is a claim that
don't think can disagree with, although I don't agree with the degree
of complicity that Rev Wright suggests) and the statements of Hitler.

A) This is a cross posted thread
B) It was cross-posted to rec.sport.pro-wrestling

Need I say more?

Robert J. Kolker wrote:

>
> Obama is not responsible for Wright's Wrongs.

But what if he is? The speech was too pat. He's been awaiting a good reason to
give it and it wasn't coming along in time to suitably influence the "super"
delegates. He put Wright up to that strident nonsense to give himself the
opportunity for the speech. The guy is as phony as they come.

I don't understand why people can't see through his pseudo-black preaching style
and his patronizing, demagogic presentation. He scares me as much as Bush did.
More maybe.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein

On Mar 18, 11:07 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 6:44 pm, Kathy Bush <Barack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > He did it.
>
> > No other presidential candidate in the past 40 years has managed to
> > speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his
> > campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about
> > race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America
> > began.
>
> > It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a
> > black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: He
> > can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism--
> > and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal
> > passion.
>
> > Ever since Rev. Jeremiah Wright's hateful sermons began to dominate
> > the cable-news airwaves a few days ago, Washington reporters and the
> > right-wing attack machine have been salivating at the chance to use
> > those words to destroy another promising candidate. But today, Obama
> > did what he does better than anyone else: He reminded America that we
> > can be, and we must be, better than that.
> > The truth is, for 40 years, it has been the Republicans who have used
> > prejudice of every kind against black people and gay people and
> > immigrant people to divide and conquer in November. And Obama did not
> > flinch from pointing that out. Instead, he looked the nation squarely
> > in the eye and declared, "Not this time!"
>
> > "Like the anger within the black community," he said, white
> > resentments "aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have
> > helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger
> > over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition.
> > Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral
> > ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire
> > careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate
> > discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political
> > correctness or reverse racism."
>
> > And right there, on MSNBC, was Pat Buchanan, the most prominent
> > example of this sorry class of citizen, who strained to put the worst
> > face on Obama's transcendent speech even as he acknowledged its
> > effectiveness. Only on cable television in America could a man who has
> > written that Adolf Hitler was "an individual of great courage," and
> > dismissed the idea that "white rule of a black majority is inherently
> > wrong" in South Africa--only on a cable news network could such a
> > person be allowed to attack someone else for failing to disassociate
> > himself sufficiently from another man's racist remarks.
> > But Obama was too courageous to bow to the chattering classes by
> > repudiating his former pastor altogether. Instead, he did something
> > much more difficult, and much more important: He offered a nuanced
> > view of his mentor's failings. "The profound mistake of Reverend
> > Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society,"
> > said Obama. "It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no
> > progress has been made; as if this country--a country that has made it
> > possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in
> > the land and build a coalition of white and black, Latino and Asian,
> > rich and poor, young and old--is still irrevocably bound to a tragic
> > past. But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change.
> > That is the true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved
> > gives us hope--the audacity to hope--for what we can and must achieve
> > tomorrow."
>
> > Sally Quinn was also on MSNBC today, and just as she was after Mitt
> > Romney's pathetic speech about religion a few months back, she was the
> > most intelligent commentator on TV. When Obama finished speaking, she
> > declared, "This may be hyperbole, but this may be the most important
> > speech about race since Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech."
> > It was not hyperbole.
>
> > If Obama is elected president, it will be because he has been the
> > first candidate in many years to try to appeal to what is best in
> > America: "What is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than
> > what all the world's great religions demand--that we do unto others as
> > we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother's keeper,
> > scripture tells us. Let us be our sister's keeper. Let us find that
> > common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect
> > that spirit as well." Unlike the approach of every Republican
> > candidate for president, that is a perfect example of the way religion
> > should be used in American politics.
>
> > In Obama's words today, you could hear the mystic chords of memory--an
> > echo of the words of another man from Illinois with humble origins who
> > understood the proper role of religion in politics. The spirit Obama
> > embodied today was the same one Abraham Lincoln evoked in the
> > peroration of his greatest speech in 1865:
>
> > "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
> > right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
> > work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
> > shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do
> > all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among
> > ourselves and with all nations."
>
> >http://www.radaronline.com/features/2008/03/obama_jeremiah_wright_ful...
>
> Actually, he should have stuck with the first part of his speech,
> which was beautifully written by someone of the save clerness of. Ms.
> Kathy Noonan, who wrote Regan's speeches. Eveyone applaud the fire
> half of the speech. Some secondary loser evidently wrote the second
> half of the speech, and to most people it fell flat on its face.  It
> fell flat on its face because too much time was wasted on fictious 9-
> year old kid who make the reamkable sacrafice of eating "mustard and
> relish" sandwitches to save the mother money.
>
> Now many people will not realize what the terrible slip this was, but
> it really hit home with most us who were working our way though our
> first college degree in the early 1960.  What Mr. Obama does not seem
> to realize, was the daily meal for us.Us guys in Phliadelphiia, where
> he made his desperate speech were sitting at Littons resturant, and
> putting mouns of pickles, reliish and mustard on the thin sliced
> hamburger that were seved to us, simply to get us, barely enough
> nutrician to get through another day day of study at Drexel, let alone
> Priceton  and Harvard.
> I seriously doubt that Mr. Obama has ever gone though this exerience,
> and evidenly is a child of wealth, so how dare he even raise this
> issue!
>
> I perasonallly belive that even beyone his rather bizarre religion,
> Mr. Obama is hiding quite a bit more fact. Things like, where did all
> this mony suddely emerge? How did he suddendly emerge in life as a US
> Senator, rather than a state repl  Things voters want and need to
> know, and quite honest seem rather mysterious.
>
> Harry C.

Hey, remember your post about wondering where all the physics went?

Bob Cain wrote:

>
> But what if he is? The speech was too pat. He's been awaiting a good
> reason to give it and it wasn't coming along in time to suitably
> influence the "super" delegates. He put Wright up to that strident
> nonsense to give himself the opportunity for the speech. The guy is as
> phony as they come.
>
> I don't understand why people can't see through his pseudo-black
> preaching style and his patronizing, demagogic presentation. He scares
> me as much as Bush did. More maybe.

That is a separate issue. I am sure Rev. Wright came to his conclusions
independently from Obama. Obama is a Jive Man. Unfortunately the
Republicans are no better. Choose which brand of poison you want this
November or skip voting.

Wright blames the problems that Negros have on all the white folks and
he practices schadenfreude, rejoicing in the outrage of 9/11. The
Muslims would have attacked us somehow in any case, as part of their
global war against kaffirs.

Bob Kolker

"Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
news:_badndQeRNE-k3_anZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>
>>
>> Obama is not responsible for Wright's Wrongs.
>
> But what if he is? The speech was too pat. He's been awaiting a good
> reason to give it and it wasn't coming along in time to suitably influence
> the "super" delegates. He put Wright up to that strident nonsense to give
> himself the opportunity for the speech.
>
paranoid much?

In article <47E0581C.8F2BE955@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:

[snip]

> Virulent racist Uncle Al is voting for the ****** come 04 November.
> At the very least it will be amusing to see what great forces bid for
> his soul - and how much they offer, brother.

***{Surely you jest. The three candidates who still have a shot at the
White House are overt and unapologetic maggots. Each promises on a daily
basis that, if elected, they will not merely do nothing to stop the
ongoing feast on the corpse of America, but that they will do everything
in their power to speed it up. Nobody in his right mind will vote for
any of them. --MJ}***

> --
> Uncle Al
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

************************************************** ***************
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that you are in my killfile. --MJ

the Bede wrote:
> "Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
> news:_badndQeRNE-k3_anZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>>
>>> Obama is not responsible for Wright's Wrongs.
>> But what if he is? The speech was too pat. He's been awaiting a good
>> reason to give it and it wasn't coming along in time to suitably influence
>> the "super" delegates. He put Wright up to that strident nonsense to give
>> himself the opportunity for the speech.
>>
> paranoid much?

Cynical is the word. I've been around long enough and seen enough to have well
earned the point of view.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein