Bad things:
-- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
established)
-- The whole replicator subplot
-- Using the replicator subplot to do a Terminator riff, which really
doesn't belong in a serious story
-- Being able to pump replicators with hundreds of bullets, without hurting
any of the machinery behind them (Granted, this is already established too.)
-- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold. It's
fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.
-- And have I mentioned the stupidity of the reokicator subplot yet?

Good points:
-- Teal'c's comment about how he too has killed innocents. I was saying to
myself "the writers had better have thought of that". They did.
-- Sending the Ark to Area 51 instead of the usual reset button where the
magic device is conveniently destroyed at the end of the episode. (Besides,
it's not powerful against anyone except Priors, since, say, Wraiths aren't
linked in the same way.)
-- Sam's untied long hair, showed very briefly.

Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
is convenient for the plot thing is really old. I don't see how they could
have done it anyther way, but I'm hoping future stories (movies, Atlantis,
or whatever) lower the power of the threat and make it something that the
team can actually handle itself.
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee

"In a superhero story, Superman jumps off buildings and flies. In a realistic
story, Superman doesn't jump off buildings and can't fly. Deconstruction is
writing a story where Superman can't fly but he still jumps off of buildings."

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:26:41 +0000 (UTC), arromdee@green.rahul.net
(Ken Arromdee) wrote:

>Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
>is convenient for the plot thing is really old. I don't see how they could
>have done it anyther way, but I'm hoping future stories (movies, Atlantis,
>or whatever) lower the power of the threat and make it something that the
>team can actually handle itself.

Really, it's more like the Ancients are unwilling to interfere except
for individual renegades like Merlin and Morgan Lefaye and it's been
long established in the series. While it's annoying I don't really see
that pattern changing especially with SG1 moving to DVD movies where
the threat has to be bigger in order to justify the continued
expenditure of special effects money for standalone movies.
--
"Yes, yes, this is a fertile land and we shall thrive. We will rule
over all this land and we will call it,...'This Land.'
I think we should call it your grave!
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
Hah, hah, hah. Mine is an evil laugh."
-- Wash

Roberto Castillo
robertocastillo@ameritech.net
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/

In article <fs4ilh$qq4$1@blue.rahul.net>, arromdee@green.rahul.net
says...
> Bad things:
> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
> established)

We got Latin FROM the Ancients.


> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold. It's
> fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.

Hey, he walked for weeks and weeks *g*

> -- And have I mentioned the stupidity of the reokicator subplot yet?

Tell me more. It sounds intriguing.


>
> Good points:
> -- Teal'c's comment about how he too has killed innocents. I was saying to
> myself "the writers had better have thought of that". They did.

Must have been a mistake.


> Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
> is convenient for the plot thing is really old.

Its not that they are unable most of them don't care - much like you
don't give a damn about a tribe of ants getting wiped out in the amazon.
But a few keep the rules.

In article <MPG.22510591d415b41098bcc1@news.usenetserver.com>,
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>> Bad things:
>> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
>> established)
>We got Latin FROM the Ancients.

Latin is thousands of years old, not millions or billions; this makes
no sense.

>> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold. It's
>> fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.
>Hey, he walked for weeks and weeks *g*

Consider that before the whole thing started, the Earth was about to bring a
Prior through the gate. Consider also that after the whole thing was over,
the Prior was still there and hadn't done anything.

Anything more than a day or so is hard to believe.
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee

"In a superhero story, Superman jumps off buildings and flies. In a realistic
story, Superman doesn't jump off buildings and can't fly. Deconstruction is
writing a story where Superman can't fly but he still jumps off of buildings."

Ken Arromdee wrote:
> In article <MPG.22510591d415b41098bcc1@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>>> Bad things:
>>> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is
>>> already established)
>> We got Latin FROM the Ancients.
>
> Latin is thousands of years old, not millions or billions; this makes
> no sense.
>

Though the similarity could be explained by the reverse situation, Latin
based some of it's words on Ancient words, perhaps learned through the
G'ould. To the typical Earth archeologist who has never seen the ancient
language it would appear Latin was the origin.


>>> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold.
>>> It's fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or
>>> something.
>> Hey, he walked for weeks and weeks *g*
>
> Consider that before the whole thing started, the Earth was about to
> bring a Prior through the gate. Consider also that after the whole
> thing was over, the Prior was still there and hadn't done anything.
>
> Anything more than a day or so is hard to believe.

"Bill Plenge" <B_Plenge@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:fs6svc$m8m$1@aioe.org...
> Ken Arromdee wrote:
>> In article <MPG.22510591d415b41098bcc1@news.usenetserver.com>,
>> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>>>> Bad things:
>>>> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is
>>>> already established)
>>> We got Latin FROM the Ancients.
>>
>> Latin is thousands of years old, not millions or billions; this makes
>> no sense.
>>
>
> Though the similarity could be explained by the reverse situation, Latin
> based some of it's words on Ancient words, perhaps learned through the
> G'ould. To the typical Earth archeologist who has never seen the ancient
> language it would appear Latin was the origin.

In the "Pegasus Project" this issue is discussed. The Ancients returned to
Earth, some living amongst the Humans (about 10,000 years ago). Clearly as
an advanced race their language would have been picked up (or taught) and
then different versions of the language created.

I thought the Goa'uld used what was basically Egyption symbols (or a form
of) and they didn't use Ancient?

On Mar 23, 5:26 am, arrom...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> Bad things:
> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words.  (Granted, this is already
> established)
> -- The whole replicator subplot
> -- Using the replicator subplot to do a Terminator riff, which really
> doesn't belong in a serious story
> -- Being able to pump replicators with hundreds of bullets, without hurting
> any of the machinery behind them (Granted, this is already established too..)
> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold.  It's
> fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.
> -- And have I mentioned the stupidity of the reokicator subplot yet?
>

- The deus ex machina basis of all the plot, as usual. Luckily, some
Ancient guy thought of a way to kill ascended beings and they found
it. Now, out of nowhere, we have a device that can change people's
belief, and Daniel suddenly knows about it. That's very very very bad
writing.
- "Millions of years ago" the Ancients lived like middle-ages humans
from Earth but had a very powerful technology.
- For millions of years, nothing changed in the Ori universe (this is
absurd).
- For millions of years, nobody found the ruins supposed to be in a
central part of the Ori galaxy.
- This is the Vatican of the Ori but there is almost nobody on the
planet, nobody spots them coming, everybody speaks american english
(as usual).
- These ruins looked hundred of years old, not millions. And the Arch
was like new.
- The Ancient who had the idea about the Stargate left the Ori galaxy
the day he had the idea but somehow the Ori have the same Stargates.
... and that just the tip of what was bad.

> Good points:
> -- Teal'c's comment about how he too has killed innocents.  I was sayingto
> myself "the writers had better have thought of that".  They did.
> -- Sending the Ark to Area 51 instead of the usual reset button where the
> magic device is conveniently destroyed at the end of the episode.  (Besides,
> it's not powerful against anyone except Priors, since, say, Wraiths aren't
> linked in the same way.)
> -- Sam's untied long hair, showed very briefly.
>

- No more Ori storyline, and only one SG1 episode to go.

> Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
> is convenient for the plot thing is really old.  I don't see how they could
> have done it anyther way, but I'm hoping future stories (movies, Atlantis,
> or whatever) lower the power of the threat and make it something that the
> team can actually handle itself.
> --

In article <fs6s0n$16l$1@blue.rahul.net>, arromdee@green.rahul.net
says...
> In article <MPG.22510591d415b41098bcc1@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> >> Bad things:
> >> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
> >> established)
> >We got Latin FROM the Ancients.
>
> Latin is thousands of years old, not millions or billions; this makes
> no sense.

But stargates do? :)

Either way, that is the lore of the series. We got latin from the
ancients.

¨

Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Ken Arromdee said:

> Bad things:
> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
> established)

Gou'uld is ancient Egyptian and the Asgard writing is Norse runes. Like
it or not, that's part of the whole mythology of the show.

> -- The whole replicator subplot

Yeah, that annoyed me, too. Considering that it was entirely self
contained and went nowhere, I think it was used more as a filler than
anything else to justify a feature-length release.

> -- Being able to pump replicators with hundreds of bullets, without hurting
> any of the machinery behind them (Granted, this is already established too.)

I thought I saw some of the wall-mounted stuff get hit a few times.

> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold. It's
> fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.

If you have sufficient time, anything on the same continent is within
walking distance. But how did he know which direction to go?

> Good points:
> -- Teal'c's comment about how he too has killed innocents. I was saying to
> myself "the writers had better have thought of that". They did.

Yep. It was also touched on in an early episode of the series,
"Cor'ai" where Teal'c is put on trial for the murder of a crippled man
while he was First Prime.

> -- Sending the Ark to Area 51 instead of the usual reset button where the
> magic device is conveniently destroyed at the end of the episode. (Besides,

I wonder if it's being stored next to another well-known Ark... :)

> it's not powerful against anyone except Priors, since, say, Wraiths aren't
> linked in the same way.)

It's as powerful against any single viewer. What made it specially
effective here was that the Priors were all linked, so they only had to
expose one Prior (per Galaxy) to it.

> Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
> is convenient for the plot thing is really old. I don't see how they could
> have done it anyther way, but I'm hoping future stories (movies, Atlantis,
> or whatever) lower the power of the threat and make it something that the
> team can actually handle itself.

"Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed story
to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the difficulty
factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #107.
Even though I don't really care because I plan on living forever, I
will hire engineers who are able to build me a fortress sturdy enough
that, if I am slain, it won't tumble to the ground for no good
structural reason.

"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:3v4gu31htp3rg0829am7jf65jusm85hv8t@gordol.org ...
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Ken Arromdee said:
>
>> Bad things:
>> -- Ancient seeming to consist of Latin words. (Granted, this is already
>> established)
>
> Gou'uld is ancient Egyptian and the Asgard writing is Norse runes. Like
> it or not, that's part of the whole mythology of the show.
>
>> -- The whole replicator subplot
>
> Yeah, that annoyed me, too. Considering that it was entirely self
> contained and went nowhere, I think it was used more as a filler than
> anything else to justify a feature-length release.
>
>> -- Being able to pump replicators with hundreds of bullets, without
>> hurting
>> any of the machinery behind them (Granted, this is already established
>> too.)
>
> I thought I saw some of the wall-mounted stuff get hit a few times.
>
>> -- Teal'c being *within walking distance* of the Ori stronghold. It's
>> fortunate they didn't build it on a cliff or on an island or something.
>
> If you have sufficient time, anything on the same continent is within
> walking distance. But how did he know which direction to go?
>
>> Good points:
>> -- Teal'c's comment about how he too has killed innocents. I was saying
>> to
>> myself "the writers had better have thought of that". They did.
>
> Yep. It was also touched on in an early episode of the series,
> "Cor'ai" where Teal'c is put on trial for the murder of a crippled man
> while he was First Prime.
>
>> -- Sending the Ark to Area 51 instead of the usual reset button where the
>> magic device is conveniently destroyed at the end of the episode.
>> (Besides,
>
> I wonder if it's being stored next to another well-known Ark... :)
>
>> it's not powerful against anyone except Priors, since, say, Wraiths
>> aren't
>> linked in the same way.)
>
> It's as powerful against any single viewer. What made it specially
> effective here was that the Priors were all linked, so they only had to
> expose one Prior (per Galaxy) to it.
>
>> Also, the whole Ancients unable to intervene except in whatever tiny way
>> is convenient for the plot thing is really old. I don't see how they
>> could
>> have done it anyther way, but I'm hoping future stories (movies,
>> Atlantis,
>> or whatever) lower the power of the threat and make it something that the
>> team can actually handle itself.
>
> "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
> when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed story
> to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the difficulty
> factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
>
> --

Condensed?

If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why waste
time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't think the
writers had a damn clue what to do, and hashed up this rubbish end to a
rubbish story arc.

Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its was
no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI. Sure
it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.

The replicator thing should have never been in this episode. If they wanted
to do repliactors they should have come up with a proper plot for a separate
movie.

I think this so called movie demonstrates how bad SG1 had got and bored the
writers were with it.

Sorry, SG1 fans, but the Ark of Truth was a massive disappointment to me.
Like most of you, I've stuck this series out, right from the beginning. I
was even a massive fan of the original movie. To be served up this tripe as
a big series finale is an insult to not only the fans but the actors, crew
and every one involved.

To even mention it in the same breath of Peacekeeper Wars, or Serenity is a
joke. For gods sake, Firefly lasted , what 15 episodes, and gets one on the
best SF movies of the decade. SG1 lasts 10 YEARS and gets this. I didn't
even follow Farscape and PkW was really good and I didn't even know what the
back stories were.

IMHO, you should all see this for what it is and be damned angry about it.
SG1 fans have been ripped off and taken for granted by this terrible finale.

Sorry guys, but I'p not seeing the Kings new clothes.

I sincerely hope that the next movie is a hell of a lot better.

AC

Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:

> > "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
> > when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed story
> > to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the difficulty
> > factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
> Condensed?

Yes, condensed. If they had a full 20~24 episodes to run with, then we
would likely have seen a more gradual change come over Vala's husband
across several battles, a longer search for the ark, more interaction
between Vala and Adria, and perhaps something more with the Prior on
Earth. Along with some otherwise pointless filler episodes to break up
the story a bit.

> If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why waste
> time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't think the

Because they pared the Ori plot down to its essentials and came up a
half hour short. But it was pared down and sent in such a direction
that they apparently could not re-stretch it by only a half hour, so
they filled it with something else.

> Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its was
> no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI. Sure
> it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.

Well, I've already stated that seasons 9 and 10 "do not exist" for me.
I own seasons 1 through 8 and do not intend to buy 9 or 10, and the
only reason I rented Ark Of Truth was to finish the story.

I wasn't expecting to be wowed by anything in the plot, and I wasn't
disappointed. :|

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #107.
Even though I don't really care because I plan on living forever, I
will hire engineers who are able to build me a fortress sturdy enough
that, if I am slain, it won't tumble to the ground for no good
structural reason.

"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:0soiu3dngb4skhka6k2th7q9cui1ue4f8r@gordol.org ...
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>
>> > "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
>> > when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed story
>> > to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the difficulty
>> > factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
>> Condensed?
>
> Yes, condensed. If they had a full 20~24 episodes to run with, then we
> would likely have seen a more gradual change come over Vala's husband
> across several battles, a longer search for the ark, more interaction
> between Vala and Adria, and perhaps something more with the Prior on
> Earth. Along with some otherwise pointless filler episodes to break up
> the story a bit.
>
>> If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why waste
>> time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't think
>> the
>
> Because they pared the Ori plot down to its essentials and came up a
> half hour short. But it was pared down and sent in such a direction
> that they apparently could not re-stretch it by only a half hour, so
> they filled it with something else.
>
>> Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its
>> was
>> no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI.
>> Sure
>> it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.
>
> Well, I've already stated that seasons 9 and 10 "do not exist" for me.
> I own seasons 1 through 8 and do not intend to buy 9 or 10, and the
> only reason I rented Ark Of Truth was to finish the story.
>
> I wasn't expecting to be wowed by anything in the plot, and I wasn't
> disappointed. :|
>

Ah, fair enough. I was dumb enough to hold on to "hope".

Sure, I get what you are saying about condensing a season down to a movie.
But boy did they wast the oppertunity.

Also, going by the series so far, Im not sure the Ori arc would have been
more fleshed out. I fairly sure we would have seen (guess) 4 ish episdoes of
arc and there for 16 episodes of filler.

But to be fair, SG1 isnt really an arc based show. So I suppose Im kinda
asking for more than it ever offered.

But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie. Especially
when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV episodes.
I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.

AC

"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:ekqGj.719$uX5.279@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
> news:0soiu3dngb4skhka6k2th7q9cui1ue4f8r@gordol.org ...
>> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>>
>>> > "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
>>> > when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed story
>>> > to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the
>>> > difficulty
>>> > factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
>>> Condensed?
>>
>> Yes, condensed. If they had a full 20~24 episodes to run with, then we
>> would likely have seen a more gradual change come over Vala's husband
>> across several battles, a longer search for the ark, more interaction
>> between Vala and Adria, and perhaps something more with the Prior on
>> Earth. Along with some otherwise pointless filler episodes to break up
>> the story a bit.
>>
>>> If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why waste
>>> time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't think
>>> the
>>
>> Because they pared the Ori plot down to its essentials and came up a
>> half hour short. But it was pared down and sent in such a direction
>> that they apparently could not re-stretch it by only a half hour, so
>> they filled it with something else.
>>
>>> Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its
>>> was
>>> no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI.
>>> Sure
>>> it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.
>>
>> Well, I've already stated that seasons 9 and 10 "do not exist" for me.
>> I own seasons 1 through 8 and do not intend to buy 9 or 10, and the
>> only reason I rented Ark Of Truth was to finish the story.
>>
>> I wasn't expecting to be wowed by anything in the plot, and I wasn't
>> disappointed. :|
>>
>
> Ah, fair enough. I was dumb enough to hold on to "hope".
>
> Sure, I get what you are saying about condensing a season down to a movie.
> But boy did they wast the oppertunity.
>
> Also, going by the series so far, Im not sure the Ori arc would have been
> more fleshed out. I fairly sure we would have seen (guess) 4 ish episdoes
> of arc and there for 16 episodes of filler.
>
> But to be fair, SG1 isnt really an arc based show. So I suppose Im kinda
> asking for more than it ever offered.
>
> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie. Especially
> when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV
> episodes. I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.
>
> AC

Agreed. Perhaps they thought they'd get Season 11 so didn't intend to finish
the Ori story? As has been mentioned, the Replicators were intorduced
originally to simply give an excuse as to why the Asgard didn't come and
wipe the Goa'uld out. But they then pushed it to "human replicators" which
just suck. Anyone notice when a human replicator gets wiped out it appears
to be made out of about a cup full of dust?

Season 9&10 have suffered in the same was as Season 4 has with Atlantis. Too
many character changes and the plot lines going all over the place. Some
episodes of SG1 and SGA have been excellent. For me, Nemesis, The Lost City,
Rising, The Seige and First Strike just to name a new were really good. In
SG1 I thought The Pegasus Project (where they blended SG1 and SGA in a
really well written way) was well done as well.

But far too much of Season 9& 10 of SG1 seemed to go nowhere. King Arthur?,
Knights of the Round Table?. Then we had that Alliance lot that just seemed
to be over hyped drug dealers. What was that all about?

Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:

> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie. Especially
> when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV episodes.
> I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.

I must've missed the writer's credit to Whedon... :)

The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
downhill when he left entirely. I'm not blaming him, he had his
reasons for leaving and from what I know of them, I agree with them. I
just think that the show should have ended with season 8. Some shows
can continue on with the loss of a core character, some can get better,
and some get worse. Unfortunately, SG1 got worse.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #107.
Even though I don't really care because I plan on living forever, I
will hire engineers who are able to build me a fortress sturdy enough
that, if I am slain, it won't tumble to the ground for no good
structural reason.

"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org ...
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>
>> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie.
>> Especially
>> when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV
>> episodes.
>> I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.
>
> I must've missed the writer's credit to Whedon... :)
>
> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
> downhill when he left entirely. I'm not blaming him, he had his
> reasons for leaving and from what I know of them, I agree with them. I
> just think that the show should have ended with season 8. Some shows
> can continue on with the loss of a core character, some can get better,
> and some get worse. Unfortunately, SG1 got worse.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

I don't think it was just his loss though. The end of the Goa'uld threat
left the show a little empty (as defeating Annubis in the Lost City did) and
the writers didn't seem to know what to do. Season 8 just went no where, as
you correctly point out, RDA wasn't replaced and he hardly appeared that
much in 8 and having him sit behind a desk didn't really work for him as the
character we knew.

I think poor writing or lack of ideas was just as much an issue.

In article <3v4gu31htp3rg0829am7jf65jusm85hv8t@gordol.org>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Ken Arromdee said:

> > -- Sending the Ark to Area 51 instead of the usual reset
> > button where the magic device is conveniently destroyed
> > at the end of the episode.
>
> I wonder if it's being stored next to another well-known Ark... :)

I was actually waiting for the general to say it was being studied by
"top men".

In article <UhdGj.5170$4f4.1924@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> I think this so called movie demonstrates how bad SG1 had got
> and bored the writers were with it.
>
> Sorry, SG1 fans, but the Ark of Truth was a massive
> disappointment to me.

I had no idea the fans cared about what disappoints you.

In article <b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
> downhill when he left entirely.

It went downhill when he started staring dumbly at everyone and the only
thing coming out of his mouth were lame wisecracks.

"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-C71A5B.22424826032008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <UhdGj.5170$4f4.1924@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> I think this so called movie demonstrates how bad SG1 had got
>> and bored the writers were with it.
>>
>> Sorry, SG1 fans, but the Ark of Truth was a massive
>> disappointment to me.
>
> I had no idea the fans cared about what disappoints you.

OK, so the same would then apply to your post and I suppose this one.

If thats you attitude why read anything?

AC

"Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> news:ekqGj.719$uX5.279@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
>> news:0soiu3dngb4skhka6k2th7q9cui1ue4f8r@gordol.org ...
>>> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>>>
>>>> > "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to Farscape,
>>>> > when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed
>>>> > story
>>>> > to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the
>>>> > difficulty
>>>> > factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
>>>> Condensed?
>>>
>>> Yes, condensed. If they had a full 20~24 episodes to run with, then we
>>> would likely have seen a more gradual change come over Vala's husband
>>> across several battles, a longer search for the ark, more interaction
>>> between Vala and Adria, and perhaps something more with the Prior on
>>> Earth. Along with some otherwise pointless filler episodes to break up
>>> the story a bit.
>>>
>>>> If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why
>>>> waste
>>>> time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't
>>>> think the
>>>
>>> Because they pared the Ori plot down to its essentials and came up a
>>> half hour short. But it was pared down and sent in such a direction
>>> that they apparently could not re-stretch it by only a half hour, so
>>> they filled it with something else.
>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its
>>>> was
>>>> no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI.
>>>> Sure
>>>> it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.
>>>
>>> Well, I've already stated that seasons 9 and 10 "do not exist" for me.
>>> I own seasons 1 through 8 and do not intend to buy 9 or 10, and the
>>> only reason I rented Ark Of Truth was to finish the story.
>>>
>>> I wasn't expecting to be wowed by anything in the plot, and I wasn't
>>> disappointed. :|
>>>
>>
>> Ah, fair enough. I was dumb enough to hold on to "hope".
>>
>> Sure, I get what you are saying about condensing a season down to a
>> movie. But boy did they wast the oppertunity.
>>
>> Also, going by the series so far, Im not sure the Ori arc would have been
>> more fleshed out. I fairly sure we would have seen (guess) 4 ish episdoes
>> of arc and there for 16 episodes of filler.
>>
>> But to be fair, SG1 isnt really an arc based show. So I suppose Im kinda
>> asking for more than it ever offered.
>>
>> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie.
>> Especially when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of
>> 15 TV episodes. I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is
>> not.
>>
>> AC
>
> Agreed. Perhaps they thought they'd get Season 11 so didn't intend to
> finish the Ori story? As has been mentioned, the Replicators were
> intorduced originally to simply give an excuse as to why the Asgard didn't
> come and wipe the Goa'uld out. But they then pushed it to "human
> replicators" which just suck. Anyone notice when a human replicator gets
> wiped out it appears to be made out of about a cup full of dust?
>
> Season 9&10 have suffered in the same was as Season 4 has with Atlantis.
> Too many character changes and the plot lines going all over the place.
> Some episodes of SG1 and SGA have been excellent. For me, Nemesis, The
> Lost City, Rising, The Seige and First Strike just to name a new were
> really good. In SG1 I thought The Pegasus Project (where they blended SG1
> and SGA in a really well written way) was well done as well.
>
> But far too much of Season 9& 10 of SG1 seemed to go nowhere. King
> Arthur?, Knights of the Round Table?. Then we had that Alliance lot that
> just seemed to be over hyped drug dealers. What was that all about?
>
>
>

Im not sure about the timing season number wise, but for me it was dead once
the Goa'uld were defeated. At that point, IMHO, it should have been movie
time, then spin off.

I actually think the replicator concept was pretty cool, just used very
badly. The human thing should have been really cool too. Imagine if the
replicators were some sort of evil enemy, but it transpired that they
aspired to be human, like ST's Data? And that played out over serveral
seasons, SG1 spending ages fighting an enemy by mistake? I dunno, but I
think there could have been a really interesting arc using the reps.

But then to be fair, we only have to witness the sudden axing of SG1 to
understand how hard it is to plan proper arcs. Its a symptom of US TV exec
attitudes.

AC

In article <p0KGj.619$h65.433@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:atropos-C71A5B.22424826032008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <UhdGj.5170$4f4.1924@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
> > "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I think this so called movie demonstrates how bad SG1 had got
> >> and bored the writers were with it.
> >>
> >> Sorry, SG1 fans, but the Ark of Truth was a massive
> >> disappointment to me.
> >
> > I had no idea the fans cared about what disappoints you.
>
> OK, so the same would then apply to your post and I suppose this one.

Well, I'm not addressing my posts to the fans, nor apologizing to them
for my views.

"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org ...
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>
>> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie.
>> Especially
>> when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV
>> episodes.
>> I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.
>
> I must've missed the writer's credit to Whedon... :)
>
> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
> downhill when he left entirely. I'm not blaming him, he had his
> reasons for leaving and from what I know of them, I agree with them. I
> just think that the show should have ended with season 8. Some shows
> can continue on with the loss of a core character, some can get better,
> and some get worse. Unfortunately, SG1 got worse.
>

I never saw SG1 as a RDA show. To me it was all about expanding the movie. I
didnt really care for the MacGyver bloke much to begin with. I did warm to
him a lot over time though. And his character was far more suitable for a TV
series.

Um, didnt his leaving happen after the Goa'uld were pretty much defeated? I
think the two are connected. Once the core plot was resolved, then whats
left to do? It was almost like as I got bored, and RDA got bored too.

Also, I quite like Broder and Black. But, just shoving them in was plain
wrong. IMHO, they should have given RDA a big send off, perhaps a very
honerable death in defearing the goa'uld, then start a new series a year or
two later with B&B.

I dont know RDA reasons, perhaps you could tell more? I remember a family
issue, is that what you are refering to?

AC

"Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
> news:b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org ...
>> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>>
>>> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie.
>>> Especially
>>> when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of 15 TV
>>> episodes.
>>> I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is not.
>>
>> I must've missed the writer's credit to Whedon... :)
>>
>> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
>> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
>> downhill when he left entirely. I'm not blaming him, he had his
>> reasons for leaving and from what I know of them, I agree with them. I
>> just think that the show should have ended with season 8. Some shows
>> can continue on with the loss of a core character, some can get better,
>> and some get worse. Unfortunately, SG1 got worse.
>>
>> --
>> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
>> The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
>
> I don't think it was just his loss though. The end of the Goa'uld threat
> left the show a little empty (as defeating Annubis in the Lost City did)
> and the writers didn't seem to know what to do. Season 8 just went no
> where, as you correctly point out, RDA wasn't replaced and he hardly
> appeared that much in 8 and having him sit behind a desk didn't really
> work for him as the character we knew.
>
> I think poor writing or lack of ideas was just as much an issue.
>

Bugger , I should have read your post and just agreed with it. I just posted
the same kinda thing!!

AC

"Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-F04924.22452226032008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org>,
> Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:
>
>> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
>> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
>> downhill when he left entirely.
>
> It went downhill when he started staring dumbly at everyone and the only
> thing coming out of his mouth were lame wisecracks.

Yup, that didnt help.

AC

Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:

> Um, didnt his leaving happen after the Goa'uld were pretty much defeated? I
> think the two are connected. Once the core plot was resolved, then whats

Yes, they were connected but in the other direction. RDA was leaving,
so they wrapped up the Gou'uld and Replicator plots.

> I dont know RDA reasons, perhaps you could tell more? I remember a family
> issue, is that what you are refering to?

Family. He wanted to spend more time with his wife/girlfriend and
their kid, but she didn't want to move to Vancouver. So when Don S.
Davies left (health reasons, iirc), RDA's character was promoted to a
supporting role with less screen time and he shuffled his schedule so
he only had to be in Vancouver a few days a week, and then his
character was promoted again to an off-screen position after the
Gou'uld were defeated.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

"If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #59. Every member of the rebellion
will have DNA tests to bring any existing blood relationships to light.

"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin" <nonhere@nonhere.com> wrote in message
> news:r8udnYYanLvv-XfanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>> news:ekqGj.719$uX5.279@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
>>> news:0soiu3dngb4skhka6k2th7q9cui1ue4f8r@gordol.org ...
>>>> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, AC said:
>>>>
>>>>> > "Ark of Truth" is to SG-1 as "The Peacekeeper Wars" were to
>>>>> > Farscape,
>>>>> > when SciFi cancelled that show a season early. A very condensed
>>>>> > story
>>>>> > to close off the dangling threads and threats. As such, the
>>>>> > difficulty
>>>>> > factor for the characters gets very high, very fast.
>>>>> Condensed?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, condensed. If they had a full 20~24 episodes to run with, then we
>>>> would likely have seen a more gradual change come over Vala's husband
>>>> across several battles, a longer search for the ark, more interaction
>>>> between Vala and Adria, and perhaps something more with the Prior on
>>>> Earth. Along with some otherwise pointless filler episodes to break up
>>>> the story a bit.
>>>>
>>>>> If it was condensed then why the pointless replicator subplot? Why
>>>>> waste
>>>>> time with that rather then flesh the alleged big Ori plot? I don't
>>>>> think the
>>>>
>>>> Because they pared the Ori plot down to its essentials and came up a
>>>> half hour short. But it was pared down and sent in such a direction
>>>> that they apparently could not re-stretch it by only a half hour, so
>>>> they filled it with something else.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I thought the Ark of Truth was awful as a grand finale. Its
>>>>> was
>>>>> no better than a good episode, except for better music and better CGI.
>>>>> Sure
>>>>> it ended the Ori arc, but that was terrible to start with.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I've already stated that seasons 9 and 10 "do not exist" for me.
>>>> I own seasons 1 through 8 and do not intend to buy 9 or 10, and the
>>>> only reason I rented Ark Of Truth was to finish the story.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't expecting to be wowed by anything in the plot, and I wasn't
>>>> disappointed. :|
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, fair enough. I was dumb enough to hold on to "hope".
>>>
>>> Sure, I get what you are saying about condensing a season down to a
>>> movie. But boy did they wast the oppertunity.
>>>
>>> Also, going by the series so far, Im not sure the Ori arc would have
>>> been more fleshed out. I fairly sure we would have seen (guess) 4 ish
>>> episdoes of arc and there for 16 episodes of filler.
>>>
>>> But to be fair, SG1 isnt really an arc based show. So I suppose Im kinda
>>> asking for more than it ever offered.
>>>
>>> But, I still remain most annoyed with such a weak finale movie.
>>> Especially when Whedon can make a darn good off a movie off the back of
>>> 15 TV episodes. I was expecting that level of movie, which sadly this is
>>> not.
>>>
>>> AC
>>
>> Agreed. Perhaps they thought they'd get Season 11 so didn't intend to
>> finish the Ori story? As has been mentioned, the Replicators were
>> intorduced originally to simply give an excuse as to why the Asgard
>> didn't come and wipe the Goa'uld out. But they then pushed it to "human
>> replicators" which just suck. Anyone notice when a human replicator gets
>> wiped out it appears to be made out of about a cup full of dust?
>>
>> Season 9&10 have suffered in the same was as Season 4 has with Atlantis.
>> Too many character changes and the plot lines going all over the place.
>> Some episodes of SG1 and SGA have been excellent. For me, Nemesis, The
>> Lost City, Rising, The Seige and First Strike just to name a new were
>> really good. In SG1 I thought The Pegasus Project (where they blended SG1
>> and SGA in a really well written way) was well done as well.
>>
>> But far too much of Season 9& 10 of SG1 seemed to go nowhere. King
>> Arthur?, Knights of the Round Table?. Then we had that Alliance lot that
>> just seemed to be over hyped drug dealers. What was that all about?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Im not sure about the timing season number wise, but for me it was dead
> once the Goa'uld were defeated. At that point, IMHO, it should have been
> movie time, then spin off.
>
> I actually think the replicator concept was pretty cool, just used very
> badly. The human thing should have been really cool too. Imagine if the
> replicators were some sort of evil enemy, but it transpired that they
> aspired to be human, like ST's Data? And that played out over serveral
> seasons, SG1 spending ages fighting an enemy by mistake? I dunno, but I
> think there could have been a really interesting arc using the reps.
>
> But then to be fair, we only have to witness the sudden axing of SG1 to
> understand how hard it is to plan proper arcs. Its a symptom of US TV exec
> attitudes.
>
> AC

But this idea of the human form replicators wanting ot be human WAS included
in the story line! It was dire. Agreed that once the Goa'uld were defeated
they show seemed to run out of steam.

In article <_AKGj.31559$kN5.17073@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:atropos-F04924.22452226032008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org>,
> > Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
> >> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
> >> downhill when he left entirely.
> >
> > It went downhill when he started staring dumbly at everyone
> > and the only thing coming out of his mouth were lame wisecracks.
>
> Yup, that didnt help.

Given a choice between the near-comatose performances Anderson was
turning in and Browder, I'll pick Browder any day.

Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Thanatos said:

> In article <_AKGj.31559$kN5.17073@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:atropos-F04924.22452226032008@news.giganews.com...
> > > In article <b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org>,
> > > Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard Dean Anderson show.
> > >> The show suffered when he reduced his schedule and seriously went
> > >> downhill when he left entirely.
> > >
> > > It went downhill when he started staring dumbly at everyone
> > > and the only thing coming out of his mouth were lame wisecracks.
> >
> > Yup, that didnt help.
>
> Given a choice between the near-comatose performances Anderson was
> turning in and Browder, I'll pick Browder any day.

My thing wasn't Anderson vs Browder, it was Anderson vs No Anderson.

My only real problem with Browder was that he was still playing Cmdr
Chriton, only with a different name. Claudia Black, at least, managed
to keep Vala different from Aeren Sun.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

Tips for the Innocent Bystander: 37. If mysterious strangers appear at
the birth or adoption of your child and make epic proclamations about
him/her, listen.

In article <qptou3t80isj80dqs5038hpna9a901b2ht@gordol.org>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Thanatos said:
>
> > In article <_AKGj.31559$kN5.17073@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> > "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > > "Thanatos" <atropos@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:atropos-F04924.22452226032008@news.giganews.com...
> > > > In article <b1rku31ajjcfk4ahg0tbdmsecpadn16ucl@gordol.org>,
> > > > Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The simple fact is, SG1 was all around a Richard
> > > >> Dean Anderson show. The show suffered when he reduced
> > > >> his schedule and seriously went downhill when he left
> > > >> entirely.

> > > > It went downhill when he started staring dumbly at
> > > > everyone and the only thing coming out of his mouth
> > > > were lame wisecracks.
> > >
> > > Yup, that didnt help.
> >
> > Given a choice between the near-comatose performances
> > Anderson was turning in and Browder, I'll pick Browder
> > any day.
>
> My thing wasn't Anderson vs Browder, it was Anderson vs No Anderson.

I would have chosen No Anderson also.

> My only real problem with Browder was that he was still playing Cmdr
> Chriton, only with a different name.

Having never watched that other show, that didn't mean much to me. He
seemed like a definite step up from Anderson's blank-faced staring and
ridiculous "quips". It was almost like SG-1 was being led by a child in
his final season.

On Mar 22, 10:26 pm, arrom...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> Bad things:
> -- The whole replicator subplot
After having watched it, I thought, if the replicator wanted to really
take control of the ship,
why not send out reps thru all the ducts and start drilling lots of
little holes in the ship and
open it up to vacuum? Its not like they need air? But I guess that
would make to much
sense ;^)

Just my $0.02

Keith W of St Louis AKA Space Cadet

On Mar 31, 4:31 pm, Keith Wetzel AKA Space Cadet <kaw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 22, 10:26 pm, arrom...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:> Bad things:
> > -- The whole replicator subplot
>
> After having watched it, I thought, if the replicator wanted to really
> take control of the ship,
> why not send out reps thru all the ducts and start drilling lots of
> little holes in the ship and
> open it up to vacuum?  Its not like they need air? But I guess that
> would make to much
> sense ;^)
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Keith W of St Louis AKA Space Cadet

Assuming the replicators can still work in the EXTREME COLD of space!

Greg

Greg <GregMac@aol.com> writes:

>Assuming the replicators can still work in the EXTREME COLD of space!

I'll just butt in here and mention that this was already demonstrated to
be possible. When the replicators were the chief enemy of Stargate
Command, I believe they even build ships out of themselves and other
types of things.
--
Aaron Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> | Jabber: arcfide@jabber.org
``Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else.'' - Frederic Bastiat

In article <RL6dncV5PNxDFGzanZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@giganews.com>,
Aaron Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> wrote:

> Greg <GregMac@aol.com> writes:
>
> >Assuming the replicators can still work in the EXTREME COLD of space!
>
> I'll just butt in here and mention that this was already demonstrated to
> be possible. When the replicators were the chief enemy of Stargate
> Command, I believe they even build ships out of themselves and other
> types of things.

Yep. They can make themselves into ships and ship hulls. Space ain't
agonna bother them none.

--
Star Trek 09:

No Shat, No Show.
http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg

In article <ANIM8Rfsk-F6B7B7.22322831032008@news.west.cox.net>, Anim8rFSK
<ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>In article <RL6dncV5PNxDFGzanZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Aaron Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> wrote:
>
>> Greg <GregMac@aol.com> writes:
>>
>> >Assuming the replicators can still work in the EXTREME COLD of space!
>>
>> I'll just butt in here and mention that this was already demonstrated to
>> be possible. When the replicators were the chief enemy of Stargate
>> Command, I believe they even build ships out of themselves and other
>> types of things.
>
>Yep. They can make themselves into ships and ship hulls. Space ain't
>agonna bother them none.

What broke me out of the story was our heroes firing 100,000,000,000
rounds of ammunition to smash the replicators, ON A SPACE SHIP! Luckily
they failed to chip the walls.

--
Edward McArdle

In article <mcardle-1405081837590001@192.168.1.7>,
mcardle@ozemail.com.au says...
> >> >Assuming the replicators can still work in the EXTREME COLD of space!
> >>
> >> I'll just butt in here and mention that this was already demonstrated to
> >> be possible. When the replicators were the chief enemy of Stargate
> >> Command, I believe they even build ships out of themselves and other
> >> types of things.
> >
> >Yep. They can make themselves into ships and ship hulls. Space ain't
> >agonna bother them none.
>
> What broke me out of the story was our heroes firing 100,000,000,000
> rounds of ammunition to smash the replicators, ON A SPACE SHIP! Luckily
> they failed to chip the walls.

Can I just throw in randomly here that space is not by nature cold? If
it were, how could a vacuum bottle (a Thermos) keep hot coffee hot?
Space is nothing, or at least really really close to nothing, and vacuum
insulates pretty durn well. Now, if you're a few hundred million miles
from the nearest heat source, you might have an issue, but generally,
working inside the radius of where inhabitable planets orbit, you'll
have more trouble getting RID of heat. ::nods::

mcardle@ozemail.com.au (Edward McArdle) writes:
>What broke me out of the story was our heroes firing 100,000,000,000
>rounds of ammunition to smash the replicators, ON A SPACE SHIP! Luckily
>they failed to chip the walls.

The did break things. But one presumes, just like they do for air marshalls
on real-world planes, that ammo is selected that won't penetrate bulkheads.

Replicator fights have been depicted like this from the first moment we've
seen them. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.

On Mar 22, 11:26 pm, arrom...@green.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> Bad things:

- Million-year old human settlements still stuck in the Middle Ages,
full of completely modern humans. It would take a ridiculously
thorough breeding program to prevent genetic drift.
- Million-year old ruins in the middle of an alpine forest.
Impossible, for about 9 different reasons.
- Tealc knowing the direction to the Ori citadel, let alone being able
to walk there.
- Building replicators immune to the only known failsafe they could
have used in the event of accidental release.
- Thinking replicators would be any match for Priors.

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DJensen