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Ubiquitous
03-27-2008, 10:30 PM
garrethhume@yahoo.com wrote:

>Dick Cheney
>April 1991
>
>"I think for us to get American military personnel involved in
>a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a QUAGMIRE. Once we
>got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power?
>What kind of government would we have? Would it be a Sunni
>government, a Shia government, a Kurdish government? Would it
>be secular along the lines of the Ba'ath Party? Would it be
>fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants
>to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept the
>responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no
>sense at all."

Thanks for proving my point by attempting to use a partial quote from
over ten years before Iraq's liberation to describe it as a quagmire.

>LTG (RET) RICARDO S. SANCHEZ.
>Former commander US forces,Iraq.
>12 OCTOBER 2007
>
>"THERE HAS BEEN A GLARING, UNFORTUNATE, DISPLAY OF INCOMPETENT
>STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP WITHIN OUR NATIONAL LEADERS. AS A JAPANESE
>PROVERB SAYS, "ACTION WITHOUT VISION IS A NIGHTMARE." THERE IS NO
>QUESTION THAT AMERICA IS LIVING A NIGHTMARE WITH NO END IN SIGHT"
>
>"AFTER MORE THAN FOUR YEARS OF FIGHTING, AMERICA CONTINUES ITS
>DESPERATE STRUGGLE IN IRAQ WITHOUT ANY CONCERTED EFFORT TO
>DEVISE A STRATEGY THAT WILL ACHIEVE "VICTORY" IN THAT WAR TORN
>COUNTRY OR IN THE GREATER CONFLICT AGAINST EXTREMISM. FROM A
>CATASTROPHICALLY FLAWED, UNREALISTICALLY OPTIMISTIC WAR PLAN TO THE
>ADMINISTRATION'S LATEST "SURGE" STRATEGY, THIS
>ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED TO EMPLOY AND SYNCHRONIZE ITS
>POLITICAL, ECONOMIC AND MILITARY POWER. THE LATEST "REVISED
>STRATEGY" IS A DESPERATE ATTEMPT BY AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS
>NOT ACCEPTED THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC REALITIES OF THIS WAR
>AND THEY HAVE DEFINITELY NOT COMMUNICATED THAT REALITY TO THE
>AMERICAN PEOPLE"
>
>"THE BEST WE CAN DO WITH THIS FLAWED APPROACH IS STAVE OFF
>DEFEAT. THE ADMINISTRATION, CONGRESS AND THE ENTIRE
>INTERAGENCY, ESPECIALLY THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE, MUST SHOULDER THE
>RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS CATASTROPHIC FAILURE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
>MUST HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE."
>
> "NEGLECT AND INCOMPETENCE AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
>LEVEL, THAT IS THE PATH OUR POLITICAL LEADERS CHOSE"

Strange how you managed to exclude the part where he blames the liberal
media for undermining our liberation of Iraq...

--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

Michelle Steiner
03-27-2008, 11:56 PM
In article <-rKdnVkkW9SixXHanZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>,
weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

> Thanks for proving my point by attempting to use a partial quote from
> over ten years before Iraq's liberation to describe it as a quagmire.

Your point being that Dick Cheney actually predicted something correctly?

> Strange how you managed to exclude the part where he blames the
> liberal media for undermining our liberation of Iraq...

Strange how you right wingers are still bleating about the mythical
"liberal media". Did all those liberal reporters in Iraq attack our
troops? Did they sabotage our supply lines? Did they incite the
sectarian civil war there?

The fact is that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfwitz, et. al., blithely assumed
that we would be welcomed with open arms, and couldn't face the reality
that the Iraqi people don't want us there.

We're not liberators, we're invaders, conquerers, and occupiers.

--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

Dano
03-28-2008, 12:16 AM
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <-rKdnVkkW9SixXHanZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>,
> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
>> Thanks for proving my point by attempting to use a partial quote from
>> over ten years before Iraq's liberation to describe it as a quagmire.
>
> Your point being that Dick Cheney actually predicted something
> correctly?
>
>> Strange how you managed to exclude the part where he blames the
>> liberal media for undermining our liberation of Iraq...
>
> Strange how you right wingers are still bleating about the mythical
> "liberal media". Did all those liberal reporters in Iraq attack our
> troops? Did they sabotage our supply lines? Did they incite the
> sectarian civil war there?
>
> The fact is that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfwitz, et. al., blithely
> assumed that we would be welcomed with open arms, and couldn't face
> the reality that the Iraqi people don't want us there.
>
> We're not liberators, we're invaders, conquerers, and occupiers.

We won the war. It lasted about 15 minutes. Then we lost the peace. Like
any guest...you need to know when to go home.

Ubiquitous
05-29-2008, 07:51 PM
michelle@michelle.org (Mike Steiner) wrote:
> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

>> Thanks for proving my point by attempting to use a partial quote from
>> over ten years before Iraq's liberation to describe it as a quagmire.
>
>Your point being that Dick Cheney actually predicted something
>correctly?

Actually, he did no such thing. Try again, Mike.

>> Strange how you managed to exclude the part where he blames the
>> liberal media for undermining our liberation of Iraq...
>
>Strange how you right wingers are still bleating about the mythical
>"liberal media". Did all those liberal reporters in Iraq attack our
>troops? Did they sabotage our supply lines? Did they incite the
>sectarian civil war there?

You know, it'd save you a lot of effort to just admit I'm right.
This just makes you look more foolish than usual.

>The fact is that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfwitz, et. al., blithely
>assumed that we would be welcomed with open arms

That's quite an interesting display of selective memory you got there,
but then again, that's not surprising coming from someone with delusions
of being a woman and a member of Mensa.

--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.

jblum2000@gmail.com
05-30-2008, 04:43 AM
On May 30, 9:51 am, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> You know, it'd save you a lot of effort to just admit I'm right.
> This just makes you look more foolish than usual.

...Wow. It's like a little bubble of reality built just for one.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Michelle Steiner
05-30-2008, 10:41 AM
In article
<7a24a9d2-5490-44f8-aab4-67595e209839@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
jblum2000@gmail.com wrote:

> On May 30, 9:51 am, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> > You know, it'd save you a lot of effort to just admit I'm right.
> > This just makes you look more foolish than usual.
>
> ...Wow. It's like a little bubble of reality built just for one.

Not only that, but he's trying to resurrect a thread that's two-months
old.

--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

Beowulf Bolt
05-30-2008, 02:40 PM
jblum2000@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On May 30, 9:51 am, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> > You know, it'd save you a lot of effort to just admit I'm right.
> > This just makes you look more foolish than usual.
>
> ...Wow. It's like a little bubble of reality built just for one.

You gotta keep in mind that Ubiquitous communicates only in Newspeak.
In that tongue, Iraq cannot be considered a quagmire/disaster until
exactly 2 minutes after a Democratic president gets sworn in (at which
point it's his/her fault). Or until Minitrue manages to pin the blame
on the Dems in Congress, despite the utter capitulation of that group to
every blank cheque requested by Big Brother Bush. Oops - there I go
engaging in oldthink again.

Biff

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Pete B
06-01-2008, 11:01 AM
In article <michelle-AB9A29.07415130052008@news.west.cox.net>,
michelle@michelle.org says...
> In article
> <7a24a9d2-5490-44f8-aab4-67595e209839@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> jblum2000@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On May 30, 9:51 am, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> > > You know, it'd save you a lot of effort to just admit I'm right.
> > > This just makes you look more foolish than usual.
> >
> > ...Wow. It's like a little bubble of reality built just for one.
>
> Not only that, but he's trying to resurrect a thread that's two-months
> old.

Which is fine.