For discussion: How many new continuing characters were introduced in Dune
Messiah?

Tony wrote:
> For discussion: How many new continuing characters were introduced in Dune
> Messiah?

Does Bijaz count? He died during the course of the novel and was only
1/2 a character to begin with, so I guess not....

WM

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On Jun 16, 6:55 pm, Wild Monkshood <Wild_Monksh...@windstream.net>
wrote:
> Tony wrote:
> > For discussion:  How many new continuing characters were introduced inDune
> > Messiah?
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>         Does Bijaz count? He died during the course of the novel and was only
> 1/2 a character to begin with, so I guess not....
>
> WM
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Scytale shows up as a Tleilaxu Master in HoD and CH:D.

Freakzilla wrote:
> On Jun 16, 6:55 pm, Wild Monkshood <Wild_Monksh...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
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>>Tony wrote:
>>
>>>For discussion: How many new continuing characters were introduced in Dune
>>>Messiah?
>>
>> Does Bijaz count? He died during the course of the novel and was only
>>1/2 a character to begin with, so I guess not....
>>
>>WM
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> Scytale shows up as a Tleilaxu Master in HoD and CH:D.


Liter Jon was a minor character in Dune. Can't recall if he was in any
of the other novels. His mistress, Opaque Wind Trap, and their child,
Precipitated Dew, were in an offshoot fanfic. Sweet Pundi Rice, Thufir's
main squeeze, was mentioned later in HoD when, mysteriously, Miles Teg's
Father tries to use her as a bargaining chip to get the Tleilaxu to
reveal themselves....

WM

> Father tries to use her as a bargaining chip to get the Tleilaxu to
> reveal themselves....
>
I'm surprised no one mentioned Leto II. ;-)

Tony wrote:
>>Father tries to use her as a bargaining chip to get the Tleilaxu to
>>reveal themselves....
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> I'm surprised no one mentioned Leto II. ;-)

All funnin' aside, in Dune Messiah, he is hardly a character. Then in
Children o" Dune, his is a distinct character. We next see him in GEoD,
and although the familial ties are what makes the story, he is so
"changed", it's almost like he is an entirely new character. Any
reference to him pre-worm is like shadowy whisperings, except where he
longs for what he was. On that level alone, he is such a tragic character.

WM


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> reference to him pre-worm is like shadowy whisperings, except where he
> longs for what he was. On that level alone, he is such a tragic character.
>

Yes, that's true, but how about the Duncan Ghola? Doesn't he become a
continuing character also?

Tony wrote:
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>>reference to him pre-worm is like shadowy whisperings, except where he
>>longs for what he was. On that level alone, he is such a tragic character.
>>
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> Yes, that's true, but how about the Duncan Ghola? Doesn't he become a
> continuing character also?

Don't you start with me! :) Obviously, he is a special case. And, I
consider him to be four distinct characters...

1) The Original circa Dune
2) The First Ghola - Hayt/Recovered Memory Duncan
3) The Duncan that we see killed by Leto in GEOD
4) Ultimate Duncan -Siona's Mate

Now don't start on me about ALL the other Duncan's, one at least that
was a woman. They are ancillary, and we are basically told of them. We
don't "experience" them.

WM


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Wild Monkshood wrote:
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> Tony wrote:
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>>> reference to him pre-worm is like shadowy whisperings, except where
>>> he longs for what he was. On that level alone, he is such a tragic
>>> character.
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>> Yes, that's true, but how about the Duncan Ghola? Doesn't he become a
>> continuing character also?
>
>
> Don't you start with me! :) Obviously, he is a special case. And, I
> consider him to be four distinct characters...
>
> 1) The Original circa Dune
> 2) The First Ghola - Hayt/Recovered Memory Duncan
> 3) The Duncan that we see killed by Leto in GEOD
> 4) Ultimate Duncan -Siona's Mate

Sorry, 5! Forgot about Duncan circa HoD/Ch:D. If you're waiting for me
to include the horrid prequels, you'll be waitin' a loooonnnnggggg time....

WM

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> Now don't start on me about ALL the other Duncan's, one at least
> that was a woman. They are ancillary, and we are basically told of them.
> We don't "experience" them.
>
> WM
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> Sorry, 5! Forgot about Duncan circa HoD/Ch:D. If you're waiting for me to
> include the horrid prequels, you'll be waitin' a loooonnnnggggg time....
>

I'm waiting. ;-)