David Halpern
06-16-2008, 04:10 PM
Could it be done?
I would think that the Academy ground glasses
would be 1:78:1.
http://www.panavision.com/ground_glass.php/
I know that it might have been filmed with
analog 35mm Panavision cameras?
Since they are remastering TOS lol
I would think that they could
remaster the CGI sequences
for both series with better
kinematics and higher resolution
CG renders.
Sincerely,
David Halpern
Joseph Nebus
06-20-2008, 06:54 PM
"David Halpern" <photonicbandgap@earthlink.net> writes:
>Could it be done?
>I would think that the Academy ground glasses
>would be 1:78:1.
>http://www.panavision.com/ground_glass.php/
>I know that it might have been filmed with
>analog 35mm Panavision cameras?
>Since they are remastering TOS lol
>I would think that they could
>remaster the CGI sequences
>for both series with better
>kinematics and higher resolution
>CG renders.
I do not understand what is laugh-out-loud funny about the
remastering of the Original Series, particularly given that it's been
going on nearly two years and is very nearly finished.
However, as I understand things, the major problem with doing
a Remastered or High-Definition version of the Sequel Series is that
all of the editing and effects compositing was done on videotape. That
was fine for the sort of old-fashioned eyes we had in 1998, but these
days that just isn't nearly enough resolution for a High-Definition
version.
While the live-action material was originally filmed and on 35
mm film, and thus is available at much higher resolutions than HDTV
requires, doing a High Definition version of the Sequel Series demands
redoing all the editing as well as the effects work. As the Original
Series was edited on film to start with, all that needed re-editing was
the handful of bits where new effects were inserted -- and for the most
part those were either separate scenes or were matted in to a scene-on-
film.
So, it's possible to make an HD version of pretty much any
episode you want. It's just going to require a good deal more work
than the remastered Original Series did.
I have heard rumors that CBSamount is going to show a Remastered
Next Generation starting this fall -- when the Original Series runs out
of episodes to remaster -- but that's just rumors and nothing, so far as
I know, confirmed by anyone who actually knows anything.
--
Joseph Nebus
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David Halpern
06-22-2008, 07:10 PM
"Joseph Nebus" <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote in message
news:nebusj.1214002188@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu...
> "David Halpern" <photonicbandgap@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>>Could it be done?
>
>>I would think that the Academy ground glasses
>>would be 1:78:1.
>
>>http://www.panavision.com/ground_glass.php/
>
>>I know that it might have been filmed with
>>analog 35mm Panavision cameras?
>
>>Since they are remastering TOS lol
>>I would think that they could
>>remaster the CGI sequences
>>for both series with better
>>kinematics and higher resolution
>>CG renders.
>
> I do not understand what is laugh-out-loud funny about the
> remastering of the Original Series, particularly given that it's been
> going on nearly two years and is very nearly finished.
>
> However, as I understand things, the major problem with doing
> a Remastered or High-Definition version of the Sequel Series is that
> all of the editing and effects compositing was done on videotape. That
> was fine for the sort of old-fashioned eyes we had in 1998, but these
> days that just isn't nearly enough resolution for a High-Definition
> version.
>
> While the live-action material was originally filmed and on 35
> mm film, and thus is available at much higher resolutions than HDTV
> requires, doing a High Definition version of the Sequel Series demands
> redoing all the editing as well as the effects work. As the Original
> Series was edited on film to start with, all that needed re-editing was
> the handful of bits where new effects were inserted -- and for the most
> part those were either separate scenes or were matted in to a scene-on-
> film.
>
> So, it's possible to make an HD version of pretty much any
> episode you want. It's just going to require a good deal more work
> than the remastered Original Series did.
>
> I have heard rumors that CBSamount is going to show a Remastered
> Next Generation starting this fall -- when the Original Series runs out
> of episodes to remaster -- but that's just rumors and nothing, so far as
> I know, confirmed by anyone who actually knows anything.
>
> --
> Joseph Nebus
> -------------------------------------------------------------
What resolution are the live-action shots?
Since in 1995 computer games were running 1024 x 768
even that is better resolution than SDTV.
Like in the CGI shots..."USS Defiant, The Die is Cast, etc etc)
they would have to be done with better kinematics and higher
resolution of course.
Joseph Nebus
06-23-2008, 01:41 PM
"David Halpern" <photonicbandgap@earthlink.net> writes:
>What resolution are the live-action shots?
Well, those would be on film, so, essentially unlimited. I
mean, I suppose there's a theoretical maximum, but 35mm film is
designed to look good when blown up to a theater screen, so, big
enough you could project it on a screen that size and not see any
pixellation artifacts.
>Since in 1995 computer games were running 1024 x 768
>even that is better resolution than SDTV.
Yeah, but nobody was watching TV on a computer in 1995. When
they did it was movie files taking an hour to download and filling a
screen window of two centimeters in height, and it ground the
computer to a halt while it was playing. And at that you got little
specks of green apearing here and there interfering with the playback.
>Like in the CGI shots..."USS Defiant, The Die is Cast, etc etc)
>they would have to be done with better kinematics and higher
>resolution of course.
The CGI shots would be done at, at most, the resolution of the
standard definition TV screens. Any more work would be wasted
pixels -- they couldn't be shown -- and therefore wasted time and money
in the rendering. I mean, yes, there's nothing that would prohibit Trek
from spending more time and money on the effects than could be seen for
decades to come, but given that it was already a very expensive show I
don't see them spending the extra money for so delayed a benefit.
--
Joseph Nebus
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