Discussion Question: What brought Farok into the conspiracy?

Tony wrote:
> Discussion Question: What brought Farok into the conspiracy?

A groundcar?

WM


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Tony revealed his latest question, on 02/07/2008 23:26:
> Discussion Question: What brought Farok into the conspiracy?
>
Apparently, Farok felt that Paul cramped his style too much. All Farok
wanted to do was spend some quality time whacking his family members
about the head, and all that, and resented the hassle of being made to
go to distant planets just to kick the arses of strangers. The following
quote from "Messiah", in the scene where he whines to Scytale about it
is the ultimate proof :

....... And when he called for the Jihad, I was one of those who asked:
"Why should I go to fight there? I have no relatives there."

If you ask me, Farok was a mentalist.

Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:

> Tony revealed his latest question, on 02/07/2008 23:26:
>
>> Discussion Question: What brought Farok into the conspiracy?
>
> Apparently, Farok felt that Paul cramped his style too much. All Farok
> wanted to do was spend some quality time whacking his family members
> about the head, and all that, and resented the hassle of being made to
> go to distant planets just to kick the arses of strangers. The following
> quote from "Messiah", in the scene where he whines to Scytale about it
> is the ultimate proof :
>
> ...... And when he called for the Jihad, I was one of those who asked:
> "Why should I go to fight there? I have no relatives there."
>
> If you ask me, Farok was a mentalist.

Not only that, he was regenerist. He answers the door, one armed. He is
an amputee. Later, he clasps his hands in a ritualistic way in his lap.
One of FH's funnier goofs....

WM

Wild Monkshood pointed out Frank's goofs, on 03/07/2008 01:10:
>
> Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:
>>
>> If you ask me, Farok was a mentalist.
>
> Not only that, he was regenerist. He answers the door, one armed. He
> is an amputee. Later, he clasps his hands in a ritualistic way in his
> lap. One of FH's funnier goofs....
>
Ah yes.
"Scytale returned his gaze to the old man, noted the empty sleeve
dangling from the left shoulder".
And in addition to the clasp - "Farok held up his hands, examined the
palms".

There's a way out, though. Four possibilities exist.
(1) Farok, in his hurry to answer the door, simply got tangled up in his
'I Love Naraj' souvenir pullover and couldn't find the left sleeve-hole.
Happens to me all the time.
(2) He was fishing for sympathy. Inside, his son's eyes are kaput from
the fightin' and here *he* is without a scratch. So he got someone to
bind his left arm to his side to appear "cool".
(3) There's ample evidence of major drug use going on in the house. The
old "amputee" ploy was a means to distract Scytale's attention.
(4) He had three arms.

Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:

> Wild Monkshood pointed out Frank's goofs, on 03/07/2008 01:10:
>
>>
>> Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you ask me, Farok was a mentalist.
>>
>>
>> Not only that, he was regenerist. He answers the door, one armed.
>> He is an amputee. Later, he clasps his hands in a ritualistic way in
>> his lap. One of FH's funnier goofs....
>>
> Ah yes.
> "Scytale returned his gaze to the old man, noted the empty sleeve
> dangling from the left shoulder".
> And in addition to the clasp - "Farok held up his hands, examined the
> palms".
>
> There's a way out, though. Four possibilities exist.
> (1) Farok, in his hurry to answer the door, simply got tangled up in his
> 'I Love Naraj' souvenir pullover and couldn't find the left sleeve-hole.
> Happens to me all the time.
> (2) He was fishing for sympathy. Inside, his son's eyes are kaput from
> the fightin' and here *he* is without a scratch. So he got someone to
> bind his left arm to his side to appear "cool".
> (3) There's ample evidence of major drug use going on in the house. The
> old "amputee" ploy was a means to distract Scytale's attention.
> (4) He had three arms.

Years ago, my solution was that it was a Fremen gambit for answering
the door when unsure of the visitor. If trouble, he could get the "upper
hand" by become un-amputeed....

WM

Wild Monkshood said, on 03/07/2008 02:09:
>
> Years ago, my solution was that it was a Fremen gambit for answering
> the door when unsure of the visitor. If trouble, he could get the "upper
> hand" by become un-amputeed....
>
That he could. It stands to reason.

I always wondered whether Scytale, when he tranformed into Farok after
the "needling" incident was professional enough to achieve the one-armed
look? Mind you, Lichna was so mashed on semuta that he could have had
two heads and she wouldn't have noticed.

My Shakespearian Play version of the 'Farok gets it in the neck' segment
of Messiah, based on first-draft notes that I imagine Herbert could
probably maybe have possibly written says it like it is, I think..........

Farok : "We are all here now. You've not told me what you'll do with the
woman. It is my son who wishes to know. And don't try anything funny,
you little ****, or else. I could beat you with one arm tied behind my
back."
[ Grunting, and with much effort (if you think about it) Farok ties
his remaining arm behind his back ]
Scytale : "Oh rly??!! Come on and get some, then, you freak!"
[ Farok awkwardly lunges at Scytale ]
Scytale : "Get a load of this, me old mate!"
[ Scytale extends his right arm. From the sleeve of his robe, a
glistening needle darts, embedding itself in Farok's neck ]
Farok : "UUUNGHRRKK!!!"
[ Farok crumples to the floor like a wet rag ]
Scytale : "Jesus! What an idiot!"

I've been thinking about sending it off to Bri and Kev for
consideration. They should love it. Yes indeed.

I like the three arms idea.

Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:
> Wild Monkshood said, on 03/07/2008 02:09:
>
>>
>> Years ago, my solution was that it was a Fremen gambit for
>> answering the door when unsure of the visitor. If trouble, he could
>> get the "upper hand" by become un-amputeed....
>>
> That he could. It stands to reason.
>
> I always wondered whether Scytale, when he tranformed into Farok after
> the "needling" incident was professional enough to achieve the one-armed
> look? Mind you, Lichna was so mashed on semuta that he could have had
> two heads and she wouldn't have noticed.
>
> My Shakespearian Play version of the 'Farok gets it in the neck' segment
> of Messiah, based on first-draft notes that I imagine Herbert could
> probably maybe have possibly written says it like it is, I think..........
>
> Farok : "We are all here now. You've not told me what you'll do with the
> woman. It is my son who wishes to know. And don't try anything funny,
> you little ****, or else. I could beat you with one arm tied behind my
> back."
> [ Grunting, and with much effort (if you think about it) Farok ties
> his remaining arm behind his back ]
> Scytale : "Oh rly??!! Come on and get some, then, you freak!"
> [ Farok awkwardly lunges at Scytale ]
> Scytale : "Get a load of this, me old mate!"
> [ Scytale extends his right arm. From the sleeve of his robe, a
> glistening needle darts, embedding itself in Farok's neck ]
> Farok : "UUUNGHRRKK!!!"
> [ Farok crumples to the floor like a wet rag ]
> Scytale : "Jesus! What an idiot!"
>
> I've been thinking about sending it off to Bri and Kev for
> consideration. They should love it. Yes indeed.

Throw in an Energy Creature and its fer shure....

WM

"Freakzilla" <jlkiv@comcast.net> wrote in message news:

>I like the three arms idea.
>

I'd like to hear more about this Third Arm theory. ;-)

Needs a few more thees and thous. ;)

SandChigger messed-up the quotin' and said, on 06/07/2008 04:52:
> Needs a few more thees and thous. ;)

Well, lest anyone claims that I'm unwilling, or unable to take on-board
constructive criticism, here's a tentative new version, again based on
first-draft notes that I imagine Herbert could probably maybe have
possibly written :

Farok : "We are all here now. You've not told me what you'll do with the
woman. It is my son who wishes to know. And don't try anything funny,
you little ****, or else. I could beat you with one arm tied behind my
back."
[ Grunting, and with much effort (if you think about it) Farok ties
his remaining arm behind his back ]
Scytale : "Oh rly??!! Come on and get some, then, you freak!"
[ Farok awkwardly lunges at Scytale ]
Scytale : "Get a load of this, me old mate!"
[ Scytale extends his right arm. From the sleeve of his robe, a
glistening needle darts, embedding itself in Farok's neck ]
Farok : "UUUNGHRRKK!!!"
[ Farok crumples to the floor like a wet rag ]
Scytale : "Jesus! What an idiot!"
[ Enters an Energy Creature; it's fer shure, fierce, and energetic.
Scytale looks at it, goggle-eyed, shitting his pants ]
Scytale : "What, in the name of all that's holy, is THAT?! Help! Oh
Christ, help!"
Energy Creature : "Prepare to die, Tleilaxu scum. And what's that smell?"
[ The Energy Creature exudes an...... erm...... energy bolt, or
something, hitting Scytale in the chest ]
Scytale : "NYUUUURRGH!!!"
[ Scytale collapses, flops around like a goldfish out of water, and
expires ]
Energy Creature : "Ha!"
[ Enters a few Thee's and Thou's; small mythological energy-based
beasts who often work on a subcontractual basis with the Energy Creature ]
Energy Creature : "Hi guys."
Thee 1 (Spokesthee) : "Hi, Energy Creature. Wassup?"
Energy Creature : "Let's mop up this joint. There's two more. There they
are! Get 'em!"
[ Enters Farok's son and Lichna ]
Farok's son : "Who's that? Who's there? My world is a dark place, and
stuff."
Lichna : "Wow! It's, like, weird critters, and they're all glowing and
energetic. Cool, man!"
[ Lightning bolts streak out from the intruders, striking Lichna and
the blind guy ]
Farok's son : "AAAARRGGHH!!!"
Lichna : "Far out! EEUUUNNKHH!!!"
[ Farok's son and Lichna die horribly, and about time too ]
Energy Creature : "Another day, another dollar. By the way, what THE
HELL are we doing in 'Dune', guys? No-one in real-life would EVER write
us in. Would they?"

Stoned in Arrakeen wrote:
> SandChigger messed-up the quotin' and said, on 06/07/2008 04:52:
>
>> Needs a few more thees and thous. ;)
>
>
> Well, lest anyone claims that I'm unwilling, or unable to take on-board
> constructive criticism, here's a tentative new version, again based on
> first-draft notes that I imagine Herbert could probably maybe have
> possibly written :
>
> Farok : "We are all here now. You've not told me what you'll do with the
> woman. It is my son who wishes to know. And don't try anything funny,
> you little ****, or else. I could beat you with one arm tied behind my
> back."
> [ Grunting, and with much effort (if you think about it) Farok ties
> his remaining arm behind his back ]
> Scytale : "Oh rly??!! Come on and get some, then, you freak!"
> [ Farok awkwardly lunges at Scytale ]
> Scytale : "Get a load of this, me old mate!"
> [ Scytale extends his right arm. From the sleeve of his robe, a
> glistening needle darts, embedding itself in Farok's neck ]
> Farok : "UUUNGHRRKK!!!"
> [ Farok crumples to the floor like a wet rag ]
> Scytale : "Jesus! What an idiot!"
> [ Enters an Energy Creature; it's fer shure, fierce, and energetic.
> Scytale looks at it, goggle-eyed, shitting his pants ]
> Scytale : "What, in the name of all that's holy, is THAT?! Help! Oh
> Christ, help!"
> Energy Creature : "Prepare to die, Tleilaxu scum. And what's that smell?"
> [ The Energy Creature exudes an...... erm...... energy bolt, or
> something, hitting Scytale in the chest ]
> Scytale : "NYUUUURRGH!!!"
> [ Scytale collapses, flops around like a goldfish out of water, and
> expires ]
> Energy Creature : "Ha!"
> [ Enters a few Thee's and Thou's; small mythological energy-based
> beasts who often work on a subcontractual basis with the Energy Creature ]
> Energy Creature : "Hi guys."
> Thee 1 (Spokesthee) : "Hi, Energy Creature. Wassup?"
> Energy Creature : "Let's mop up this joint. There's two more. There they
> are! Get 'em!"
> [ Enters Farok's son and Lichna ]
> Farok's son : "Who's that? Who's there? My world is a dark place, and
> stuff."
> Lichna : "Wow! It's, like, weird critters, and they're all glowing and
> energetic. Cool, man!"
> [ Lightning bolts streak out from the intruders, striking Lichna and
> the blind guy ]
> Farok's son : "AAAARRGGHH!!!"
> Lichna : "Far out! EEUUUNNKHH!!!"
> [ Farok's son and Lichna die horribly, and about time too ]
> Energy Creature : "Another day, another dollar. By the way, what THE
> HELL are we doing in 'Dune', guys? No-one in real-life would EVER write
> us in. Would they?"

HeeHee.....

WM